Kinematics of a falling object to hit target

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving an airplane dropping a bomb from a certain altitude and the calculations required to determine the horizontal distance needed to hit a target. The subject area includes concepts of projectile motion and free fall.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various kinematic equations and their applicability to the problem. Questions are raised about the appropriateness of using basic equations versus kinematic equations, particularly in relation to the changing vertical velocity of the bomb during free fall.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and assumptions made in the original attempts. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct free-fall time and the implications of the bomb's initial velocity. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup and the equations involved are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the altitude from which the bomb is dropped and question the arithmetic involved in calculating the time of free fall. The discussion also highlights the need to clarify when certain equations can be applied based on the conditions of motion.

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Homework Statement


An airplane flies horizontally with a speed of 300m/s at an altitude of 300m. Assume the ground is level. At what horizontal distance from a target must the pilot release a bomb as to hit the target?

Answer: 2.7km

Homework Equations


a=v/t=d/t2
r_f = r_i + v_i*t + 1/2at2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried approaching this question using a kinematics equation and just the basic a=v/t approach...

a=v/t=d/t2
t = sqrt( 2 * d / g ) = 9s
d(horizontal) = vt = (300)(9) = 2.7km

r_f = r_i + v_i*t + 1/2at2
Using the quadratic equation to find t = 62.5s
d(horizontal) = (300)(62.5) = 18.7km

Why can I not use the kinematics equation to approach this problem?
In general, how do I know whether its appropriate to approach a problem using kinematics vs. the "basic" equations (a=v/t; v=d/t)?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:

Homework Statement


An airplane flies horizontally with a speed of 300m/s at an altitude of 300m. Assume the ground is level. At what horizontal distance from a target must the pilot release a bomb as to hit the target?

Answer: 2.7km

Homework Equations


a=v/t=d/t2
r_f = r_i + v_i*t + 1/2at2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried approaching this question using a kinematics equation and just the basic a=v/t approach...

a=v/t=d/t2
t = sqrt( 2 * d / g ) = 9s
d(horizontal) = vt = (300)(9) = 2.7km

r_f = r_i + v_i*t + 1/2at2
Using the quadratic equation to find t = 62.5s
d(horizontal) = (300)(62.5) = 18.7km

Why can I not use the kinematics equation to approach this problem?
In general, how do I know whether its appropriate to approach a problem using kinematics vs. the "basic" equations (a=v/t; v=d/t)?

For one thing, the vertical velocity of the bomb is not constant, so how do you calculate a = v/t?

And another thing. You haven't calculated the correct free-fall time of this bomb when it is dropped from an altitude of 300 m. Check your arithmetic again.
 
SteamKing said:
For one thing, the vertical velocity of the bomb is not constant, so how do you calculate a = v/t?

And another thing. You haven't calculated the correct free-fall time of this bomb when it is dropped from an altitude of 300 m. Check your arithmetic again.

A bit of a typo, but I meant that the altitude was 400m. Either way, you're right I wasn't calculating it correctly.
First off, I realized that the initial velocity of the bomb is 0m/s. Just because its being dropped from a moving plane, free fall is independent of how it starts falling.

r_f = r_i +v_i*t + 1/2at2
0 = 400 - 4.9t2
400=-4.9t2
t = 9 seconds to for the bomb to reach the ground.

300m/s * 9 seconds = 2.7km
I multiplied these because the plane is going to move an "extra" 300m for every second.
 
vetgirl1990 said:
I multiplied these because the plane is going to move an "extra" 300m for every second.
More to the point, the bomb continues forwards at 300m each second.

To answer your question about when you can use certain equations, the only general kinematics equations involve integrals and derivatives. The SUVAT equations can be deduced from those when acceleration is constant. That includes a=v/t (or more accurately, ##a=\Delta v/\Delta t##). But v=d/t is only valid when there is no acceleration.
 

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