Kinetic and potential energy and speed

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The discussion revolves around kinetic and potential energy in the context of two problems: one involving an object dropped from a height and the other concerning a roller coaster car moving along a track. Participants express confusion about the concepts and calculations related to energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to understand the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, questioning how to determine when these energies are equal. They explore the concept of total energy conservation and discuss the initial conditions of the problems.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conservation of energy and the types of energy involved, while others are still seeking clarity on specific calculations and concepts. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some guidance offered on how to approach the problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of prior instruction on the topics, which contributes to their confusion. There are references to specific values and assumptions, such as the height from which the object is dropped and the mass of the roller coaster car, but some participants express uncertainty about these details.

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Could someone please help me out??!:confused: :confused:
I'm so confused because we were never taught any of this and i have to hand in this assignment 2morrow

1.An object is dropped from a height of 10m at what height will it s kinetic energy and potential energy be equal?

2.A 100kg roller coaster car starts from rest on the top of a 30m high track.It rolls down to a 10m high deep then back up to a 15m crest. What are the speeds of the cart at (a)the deep and (b)the crest?

Help me pleasezz:frown: :frown:
 
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I know i am supposed to at least attempt the problem but I have no idea where to start.We have never been taught this stuff.If i could at least get an equation that can help i would be very grateful.
 
Okay, let's take question one first. If we ignore air resistance we can say that the total energy of the object must remain constant, yes?
 
Also, in question 1, the potential energy is taken with respect to 0 m. Presumably, the object starts 'at rest'.
 
Hootenanny said:
Okay, let's take question one first. If we ignore air resistance we can say that the total energy of the object must remain constant, yes?
yea.I guess there is constant velocity
 
crpcrpcrp said:
yea.I guess there is constant velocity
No, the velocity is not constant. I said the total energy must remain constant.
 
Oh sry I'm not very good at physics.
 
crpcrpcrp said:
Oh sry I'm not very good at physics.
No problem, :smile: so now we've established the total energy of the object is constant. What types of energy does the object posses?
 
Kinetic rite?
 
  • #10
crpcrpcrp said:
Kinetic rite?
Are you sure that it only has kinetic energy?
 
  • #11
and potential because it starts at rest
 
  • #12
crpcrpcrp said:
and potential because it starts at rest
Yes, it also has potential, but not because it starts at rest. It has potential energy because it is some distance above the ground, does that make sense?

So, now we can say that;

kinetic energy + potential energy = constant

Do you follow?
 
  • #13
yea i get it
 
  • #14
So, if we want to find the point at which kinetic energy = potential energy we can say that;

potential energy + potential energy = 2*potential energy = constant
 
  • #15
Hootenanny said:
So, if we want to find the point at which kinetic energy = potential energy we can say that;

potential energy + potential energy = 2*potential energy = constant
Ummmm...i don't really follow
 
  • #16
crpcrpcrp said:
Ummmm...i don't really follow
Which bit don't you follow?
 
  • #17
This bit:
potential energy + potential energy = 2*potential energy = constant
 
  • #18
crpcrpcrp said:
This bit:
potential energy + potential energy = 2*potential energy = constant
Okay, suppose we have an equation;

a + b = c

Now, suppose we say a=b, then we have;

a + a = 2*a = c

Is that a little clearer?
 
  • #19
Hootenanny said:
Okay, suppose we have an equation;

a + b = c

Now, suppose we say a=b, then we have;

a + a = 2*a = c

Is that a little clearer?
Yea i get it now
 
  • #20
Good :smile:. So now we have;

2*potential energy = constant

Now we need to find the constant. How do you suggest we do that?
 
  • #21
:confused: use direct variation?:confused:
 
  • #22
If the total energy of the system is constant, what is the total energy of the system before the object is dropped?
 
  • #23
i don't understand the question:rolleyes:
 
  • #24
What is the initial energy of the stone before it is dropped?
 
  • #25
i don't know:frown:
 
  • #26
Okay, before the object is dropped find;

  1. The kinetic energy of the object
  2. The potential energy of the object
 
  • #27
isn't it 0J
 
  • #28
how do i find it?I was not given to velocity or mass
 
  • #29
crpcrpcrp said:
how do i find it?I was not given to velocity or mass
Firstly, what is the velocity of the object before it is dropped?
 
  • #30
the potential energy=mass*gravity*height
=10*10*m
=100m
 

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