Kinetic Enegry and Hydrogen Atoms

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy required for ionizing hydrogen atoms and the energies of photons emitted or absorbed during interactions with electrons and photons. The subject area includes quantum mechanics and atomic physics, particularly focusing on hydrogen atom energy levels and ionization processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the minimum kinetic energy needed for ionization and the energies of emitted photons. There are attempts to calculate differences in energy levels and questions about the generation of photons and the physical processes involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are questioning the definitions of ground state energy and the mechanisms behind photon generation. There is a mix of mathematical attempts and requests for clearer explanations in plain language.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the given energy values and their derivations. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made about the ground state energy of hydrogen and the nature of the interactions between electrons and hydrogen atoms.

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Homework Statement



(a) What is the minimum kinetic energy in electron volts that an electron must have to be able to ionize a hydrogen atom (that is, remove the electron from being bound to the proton)? Answer: 13.6 eV

(b) If electrons of energy 12.8 eV are incident on a gas of hydrogen atoms in their ground state, what are the energies of the photons that are emitted by the excited gas?
Energy of highest-energy photon: 12.8 eV
Energy of next highest-energy photon: 12.089 eV
Energy of next highest-energy photon: 10.2 eV
Energy of next highest-energy photon: 2.6 eV
Energy of next highest-energy photon: 1.9 eV
Energy of lowest-energy photon: ?? eV

(c) If instead of electrons, photons of all energies between 0 and 12.8 eV are incident on a gas of hydrogen atoms in their ground state, what are the energies at which the photons are absorbed?
Energy of highest-energy dark line: 12.8 eV
Energy of next highest-energy dark line: 12.089 eV
Energy of lowest-energy dark line: 10.2 eV

Homework Equations



-13.6/n2

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought you would take 12.8-12.089 = .711 eV, however it states this is wrong. I have tried answers 0, .7, .711, and .6. Not sure why it's wrong.
 
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OK - so how was the highest energy photon generated?
 
Simon Bridge said:
OK - so how was the highest energy photon generated?
Due to the fact that the questions says 12.8eV is the ground state, wouldn't that result in 12.8 being the highest energy photon?
 
ljucf said:
Due to the fact that the questions says 12.8eV is the ground state, wouldn't that result in 12.8 being the highest energy photon?
The question does not say that 12.8eV is the ground state.
What is the ground state energy of a hydrogen atom?

But you didn;t answer the question: what is the mechanism that generates the photons?

BTW: are those numbers given to you are did you work them out?
 
En=K+Ue=-13.6eV/N2

-13.6/No2+13.6=12.8

No2= -13.6/0.8= -17
√(17) ≈ 4

-13.6/42+13.6=12.75
 
Simon Bridge said:
BTW: are those numbers given to you are did you work them out?

I worked them out.
 
That's just a bunch of equations - please use English to explain what you are doing.
What is the physical process you are thinking of ... an electron flies through the gas, it encounters a H atom, and then what does it do?
 
Simon Bridge said:
That's just a bunch of equations - please use English to explain what you are doing.
What is the physical process you are thinking of ... an electron flies through the gas, it encounters a H atom, and then what does it do?
I have know idea...I am using the equations that were given in class.
 
I solved it.

-13.6/42+13.6/32=.66
 
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Well great - but I have no idea what you did because you have not used an physics.
It sounds like you don't know either. This does not bode well for the future - when there will be no equations given in class.
 

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