Kinetic Energy & E=mc^2: A Physics Query

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic energy, represented by the equation 1/2mv², and the famous equation E=mc². Participants explore the reasoning behind the factor of 1/2 in the kinetic energy formula and the differences between kinetic energy and rest energy in the context of classical mechanics and relativity.

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  • One participant questions why the kinetic energy equation includes a factor of 1/2 and why it uses v², expressing confusion despite understanding the momentum equation (m*v).
  • Another participant explains that the factor of 1/2 arises from the work-energy principle, detailing how work done on an object relates to the force applied and the distance covered during acceleration.
  • A different participant elaborates on the definitions of momentum, force, and mechanical work, showing how integration leads to the kinetic energy formula.
  • Some participants note that E=mc² pertains to rest energy, not kinetic energy, and highlight the differences between classical mechanics and relativity.
  • One participant introduces more complex formulations of energy that incorporate momentum and velocity, suggesting that the kinetic energy formula is a good approximation under certain conditions.

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Participants generally agree on the distinction between kinetic energy and rest energy, but there is no consensus on the conceptual clarity of the kinetic energy equation among all participants. Some express understanding while others remain confused.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about classical mechanics and relativity, and the explanations provided depend on specific definitions of energy and momentum. There are unresolved nuances regarding the interpretation of the equations and their applicability in different contexts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics seeking to understand the foundational concepts of kinetic energy and its relationship to mass-energy equivalence in both classical and relativistic frameworks.

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The kinetic energy equ. is 1/2m*v^2 but why just 1/2m and why v^2? I understand why m*v but the rest of it not make sense for me.
There is the well known E=mc^2 where c is v.light but the mass is not half here. Why?
 
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One way of seeing it is that the energy that goes into accelerating an object is given by the work done on that object. Work = force times distance:

E = Fd
If you accelerate an object up to a velocity of v with a constant force then it will have a constant acceleration. Its average velocity during the acceleration will be half of its maximum velocity [right there is your factor of two]. The distance it will cover during the process of accelerating to a velocity of v over a time t will be equal to elapsed time times average velocity:

d = vt/2.​

The acceleration required to reach velocity v in time t is:

a = v/t​

The force required to achieve that (F=ma) is:

F = mv/t​

Put it together and you have

E = Fd = vt/2 * mv/t = mv2/2​
 
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brian.green said:
The kinetic energy equ. is 1/2m*v^2 but why just 1/2m and why v^2? I understand why m*v but the rest of it not make sense for me.

If you understand m*v then let's start with it. In classical mechanics (and that's what we are talking about here) momentum is defined as

p: = m \cdot v

force is defined as the change of momentum with time:

F: = \frac{{dp}}{{dt}} = m \cdot \frac{{dv}}{{dt}}

and mechanical work is defined as the product of force and displacement:

dW: = F \cdot ds = m \cdot v \cdot dv

Integration of the work gives the change of kinetic energy:

E_{kin} = \int {m \cdot v \cdot dv} = {\textstyle{1 \over 2}}m \cdot v^2

That's where 1/2 and v^2 come from.

brian.green said:
There is the well known E=mc^2 where c is v.light but the mass is not half here. Why?

That's something completely different because
1. It's not classical mechanics but relativity.
2. It's not kinetic energy but rest energy.
 
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Thanks Dave, I understand now! The well known equ. is not correct, not the mass is half actually.
 
brian.green said:
Thanks, I understand now! The well known equ. is not correct, not the mass is half actually.
##E_0=mc^2## is correct. But it is the formula for rest energy, not for kinetic energy. It is the energy equivalent of an object's mass when the object is just sitting there.

##E^2 = m^2c^4 + p^2c^2## is a generalization that gives total energy E in terms of mass m and momentum p.

##E = \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}## is a generalization that gives total energy E in terms of mass m and velocity v.

If you extract kinetic energy KE = Total energy - Rest energy = ##\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}} - mc^2## then you get something for which ##KE=\frac{1}{2}mv^2## is a very good approximation.

So the two formulas are not in conflict. They are, in fact, compatible.
 
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