Kinetics: Two Blocks and a Spring

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The problem involves two blocks, one of Uranium and one of Radium, positioned against a spring. The scenario describes the compression of the spring and the subsequent release, raising questions about the separation of the blocks from the spring and their velocity at that moment. The context is within the subject area of mechanics, specifically focusing on forces and motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential use of conservation of energy and Newton's laws to analyze the problem. There are inquiries about treating the blocks as a single mass and the implications of the spring's behavior during the release. Some participants express confusion over the problem's wording and seek clarification on when the blocks separate from the spring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided guidance on the separation point of the blocks from the spring and the application of conservation of energy, while others are still questioning the setup and assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential distractions in the problem statement and the need for clarity on the conditions under which the blocks separate from the spring. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the homework assignment and the instructor's expectations.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a block of Uranium and a block of Radium, both with edge length \lambda, are pushed to the head of an un-stretched spring (spring constant k, un-stretched length \delta _0). The combination, pushed \delta farther, compresses the spring. Upon release, the combination accelerates in the opposite direction. At what point do the blocks separate from the spring (not from each other)? What is their velocity at this instant? Assume the left block is Radium and the right block is Uranium. \lambda = 10cm, \rho _{radium} = 5 \frac{g}{cm^{3}}, \rho _{uranium} = 19.1 \frac{g}{cm^{3}}, k = 2410 \frac{dyne}{cm}, \delta _0 = 30 cm, \delta = 10 cm.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I have to say I am sort of stumped on this problem. I know that I can find the volume of each of the two blocks (assuming that they are cubes) by cubing the edge length, certainly I'll need that information later on in the problem. I was thinking that perhaps conservation of energy would be one way to approach the problem, but I believe that the instructor meant for us to use Newton's Law (this is for Mechanics class and we are doing the Force/Acceleration unit). I have my free body diagrams for the blocks drawn (and can post them if it would help). I was sort of hoping that someone could push me in the right direction and hopefully from there I'll be able to figure it out. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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The detailed description of the "mass" is furnished as a distraction. Presumably you're operating on the traditional frictionless surface with a massless spring. When/where does the relaxing spring stop pushing the mass/block(s)?
 
Bystander said:
The detailed description of the "mass" is furnished as a distraction. Presumably you're operating on the traditional frictionless surface with a massless spring. When/where does the relaxing spring stop pushing the mass/block(s)?
A quick question, would it be allowed to treat both blocks as one mass?
 
Certainly.
 
Bystander said:
Certainly.
Ok, so the blocks will separate once the spring returns to length \delta _0 and then I could just find the velocity by using conservation of energy (solve for v)...
 
_N3WTON_ said:
Ok, so the blocks will separate
... and, I will insert, "from the spring," right at this point ...
_N3WTON_ said:
once the spring returns to length δ 0
Unless I've been too clever seeing through all the distractions built into the problem statement.
 
Bystander said:
... and, I will insert, "from the spring," right at this point ...
Ironically, when this problem was first assigned that wasn't specified, so I sat down for like an hour trying to figure out some way that would allow me to figure out when the blocks would separate from each other (luckily the instructor finally specified what he meant) lol...Anyhow, thanks for the help, it doesn't seem nearly as hard as I originally thought it was..
 
Ok here is what I did for my solution: I said x = 0 when the spring is un-stretched and that x is positive to the right. Therefore, x_0 = -10 cm. Using the formula for density and the fact that edge length cubed gives volume I found the total mass of both blocks (assumed to be one mass) is 29100 g. Then I applied conservation of energy. \frac{1}{2}mv_{0}^{2} + \frac{1}{2}kx_{0}^{2} = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2} + \frac{1}{2}kx^{2}. I said that x = 0 (the spring is unstretched at this point) and v_{0} = 0. After some manipulation I found: v = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}x^{2}}. Plugging in the known values I found v = 2.9 \frac{cm}{s}.
 
Looks like a good set-up; I haven't checked your mass calculation, but everything else works out, so I'll take your word for it, and I get the same number. Holler if it turns out I gave you a bum steer.
 
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Bystander said:
Looks like a good set-up; I haven't checked your mass calculation, but everything else works out, so I'll take your word for it, and I get the same number. Holler if it turns out I gave you a bum steer.
Awesome, thanks for the help
 

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