-kx^2 = ? - Calculus relating to compound decay.

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem related to a chemical reaction where the rate of consumption of a compound is proportional to the square of its concentration, represented by the differential equation dx/dt = -kx^2. Participants are exploring how to manipulate this equation to find a solution for the concentration x in terms of time t and constants k and c.

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  • Participants discuss the difficulty of finding the primitive of the equation and question how to express the variables correctly to solve for k and c. There are attempts to derive equations based on initial conditions and the half-life of the compound.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to set up equations based on given conditions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations while others affirm the correctness of their derived values.

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Participants are working under the constraints of specific initial conditions: the initial concentration of x is 1.0, and it is half consumed in 2 seconds. There is a focus on ensuring that both conditions are satisfied by the derived equations.

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Homework Statement


In a chemica reaction the rate of consumption of a compound x is proportional to the square of the concentration of x. That is,

dx/dt = -kx^2

where k is a constant show that

x = 1/k(t-c)

The Attempt at a Solution



from my understanding usually i would try and find the primative of dt/dx, but I am having a problem seeing how it gets to the final stage of x = 1/k(t-c)

Any help greatly appreciated!
 
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Well you can't take the primitive just like that. Say you were asked for the primitive of dy/dx=x2, well then that is simple, but what if you were asked for the primitive of dy/dx=y2?
This is what you have here. You need the variable -kx2 to be in terms of t in order to take the primitive of dx/dt.

Remember this rule though: [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{dx/dy}[/tex] so you can turn your problem into [tex]\frac{dt}{dx}=\frac{1}{-kx^2}[/tex] and now you can take the primitive!
 
Awesome :-) Managed to get the answer. Unfortunately i am having an issue now with the second question, where i am asked to find k and C, given that the initial concentration of x is 1.0 and it is half consumed in 2 seconds.

Im a little bit lost here, so really detailed explanations would be helpfull.

I have found a reference to problems with rate of change given in the form of k(N-P) having a general solution of N = P + Ae^kt

So in my case i have x = k(T-C) So i need to find somehow the values of k and c, so if i were to convert to the general solution i would then have:

x = C + Ae^kt

Subbing in my values for time 0, concentration 1 i am getting:

1 = C + A

And now i don't know where to go :-( (Thanks for the help previously, much appreciated)
 
No no, in your case, x=1/(k(T-C)) :-p

Don't worry about any general formulae at this point. Read what the question gives you and see what you can make of it:

find k and C, given that the initial concentration of x is 1.0 and it is half consumed in 2 seconds.

The initial concentration is when the time is at zero. So when t=0, x=1. Substitute this into your formula.
What can you make of the second info given?
 
Ok :-)

With that,

1 = 1/k(0-c)

I get:

1 = 1/-kc

and, am unsure how to get one of the 2 variables i don't know. If i re-arrange i always have 2 unknowns stopping me from coming to an answer.
 
That's why you need to use the second info given in order to have two equations in 2 unknowns, which then you can solve simultaneously.
 
Ok i think I am onto what you are saying, are you able to let me know if I am on the right track.

2 Equations:

1: 1 = 1/k(0-c)
2: .5 = 1/k(2-c)

Rearrange the first one to equal:

1 = 1/-c
-c = 1
c = -1

Substitute c into eq#2 to give:

.5 = 1/k(2+1)
.5 = 1/(2k + k)
.5(2k+k) = 1
k+k/2 = 1
2k + k = 2
k(2+1) = 2
k = 2/(2+1)

k = 2/3 ?
c = -1 ?

Thanks for ur assistance thus far, hope I am on the right track!
 
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Ok i think I am onto what you are saying, are you able to let me know if I am on the right track.

2 Equations:

1: 1 = 1/k(0-c)
2: .5 = 1/k(2-c)

Rearrange the first one to equal:

1 = 1/-c

The equation was 1 = 1/k(0-c), so what happened to the k?

But you do have the right idea, you're nearly there.
 
My bad, think i got a little excited.

ok... My attempt again:

Equation#1: 1 = 1/k(0-c)
Equation#2: .5 = 1/k(2-c)

Rearrange Equation 1 to get:

c = 1/-k

Sub into Equation#2 to get:

0.5 = 1/k(2-c)
0.5 = 1/2k-kc
0.5 = 1/2k-k(1/-k)
0.5 = 1/2k+1
k = 1

Therefor c = 1/-1 = -1

So i figured i would test it, by popping the concentration at 2 seconds into a re-arranged formula to see if it would give me the time of 2 seconds:

Re-arranged formula:

T = (1/k+xc)/x

x = .5 c = -1 k =1

t= (1+.5*-1)/.5
t = 1

This isn't right :-( Any pointers :(
 
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Yep, recheck this
0.5 = 1/2k+1
k = 1
 
  • #11
aha...

.5 = 1/2k+1
0.5(2k+1) = 1
k+.5 = 1
k = 1-.5
k = 0.5

But if i sub this into the original formula

x = 1/k(t-c)
x = 1/.5(2--1)
x = 1/.5*3

unfortunately still not getting it :(

This still doesn't work
 
  • #12
So if K = to .5 instead of 1 then popping it back into

c= 1/-k
makes c = -2

if c = -2 k =.5

Then putting it back into the first equation to check still doesn't get me the right answer:

x = 1/k(t-c)
x = 1/.5(2--2)
x = 1/2

I must have missed something :-(
 
  • #13
Why have you missed something? You were already given that at time t=2 there was half consumed. This has been satisfied by the values of c and k that you found, and if you try to plug it into the other equation you should also satisfy the criteria of t=0, x=1. Your values are correct.
 
  • #14
ima douche.. been looking at this one for way too long now! thanks a heap for your help matey :)
 
  • #15
No worries :smile:
 

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