Lab - Friction and Forces on an Incline

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The discussion revolves around calculating the coefficient of sliding friction in a lab context involving forces on an incline. Participants are exploring the relationship between the average force of sliding friction and the normal force, as well as the application of relevant equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the applicability of a formula used for calculating coefficients of friction, particularly regarding the use of angles versus forces. There is an exploration of the definition of the coefficient of kinetic friction and how to relate it to the forces involved.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the relationship between the forces acting on the incline and the coefficient of friction. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with attempts to clarify the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the forces acting on an incline, including the components of gravitational force and the normal force. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and relationships between these forces in the context of the lab assignment.

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Okay, so I am writing a lab but I am quite stuck on one question.

Using the average force of sliding friction from the data, calculate the coefficient of sliding friction.
Average force of sliding friction: 0.32N

The equation I used to calculate other static/sliding coefficients was:
(FgSinX)/(FgCosX)
And X is the value of an angle.

I am confused because I don't know if I can use this formula to calculate the coefficient because the average force of sliding friction is not an angle.

If I use the average force of sliding friction as an angle I get:
(9.8xSin0.32)/(9.8xcos0.32) = 0.006
This does not seem right, anyone have any ideas?
please and thanks.
 
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soccergirl14 said:
Okay, so I am writing a lab but I am quite stuck on one question.

Using the average force of sliding friction from the data, calculate the coefficient of sliding friction.
Average force of sliding friction: 0.32N

The equation I used to calculate other static/sliding coefficients was:
(FgSinX)/(FgCosX)
And X is the value of an angle.

I am confused because I don't know if I can use this formula to calculate the coefficient because the average force of sliding friction is not an angle.

If I use the average force of sliding friction as an angle I get:
(9.8xSin0.32)/(9.8xcos0.32) = 0.006
This does not seem right, anyone have any ideas?
please and thanks.

Don't you want to look to the definition of μk?

μk = Ff/Fn

If you have determined Ff, then aren't you just interested in dividing by the Fn ?
 
Okay, thank you, I think I understand.
What I tried was:
(0.32N)/(9.8cosX)
Would that make sense?
 
soccergirl14 said:
Okay, thank you, I think I understand.
What I tried was:
(0.32N)/(9.8cosX)
Would that make sense?

Not quite.

The normal force is given by cosθ * weight, but there is also the component of gravity down the incline of sinθ * weight. If the force you are measuring pushing up the ramp is .32N then isn't that the result of the relationship that

.32 N = μ*m*g*cosθ + m*g*sinθ

If .32N is measured pushing down the ramp then

.32N = μ*m*g*cosθ - m*g*sinθ
 
Okay I get it!
thank you so much for the help!
 

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