Lagrangian density for a complex scalar field (classical)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the formulation of the Lagrangian density for a complex scalar field, specifically addressing the treatment of its real and imaginary components. Participants explore the implications of U(1) symmetry and the conditions under which certain assumptions about the Lagrangian hold true.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the Lagrangian density for a complex scalar field can be expressed as L = L(\varphi1) + L(\varphi2), questioning the rationale behind treating the imaginary part on equal footing with the real part.
  • Another participant clarifies that L(\varphi) = L(\varphi1) + L(i\varphi2) is based on the superposition principle, noting that this is contingent on the linearity of the Lagrangian and its symmetry under U(1) transformations.
  • It is mentioned that U(1) symmetry is a requirement for Lagrangian field theories, emphasizing that the action must remain real under complex conjugation, leading to the necessity of matched products of the field and its conjugate.
  • A later reply acknowledges the connection between U(1) symmetry and the requirement that the Lagrangian density is equal to its complex conjugate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the implications of U(1) symmetry and the conditions required for the Lagrangian density formulation, but there remains uncertainty regarding the general applicability of these principles outside of Quantum Mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumptions regarding linearity and symmetry are not universally applicable in all field theories, indicating limitations in the discussion's scope.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying theoretical physics, particularly in the context of field theory and symmetries in quantum mechanics.

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Hi.
Let's say we have a complex scalar field [itex]\varphi[/itex] and we separate it into the real and the imaginary parts:
[itex]\varphi[/itex] = ([itex]\varphi1[/itex] + i[itex]\varphi2[/itex])
It's Lagrangian density L is given by:
L = L([itex]\varphi1[/itex]) + L([itex]\varphi1[/itex])
Can you tell the argument behind the idea that in summing the densities of cpts. we treat the imaginary part on equal basis with the real.
 
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Do you mean to say L([itex]\varphi[/itex]) = L([itex]\varphi1[/itex]) + L([itex]\varphi2[/itex])? That's because L([itex]\varphi[/itex]) = L([itex]\varphi1[/itex]) + L([itex]i\varphi2[/itex]) due to superposition principle, and L([itex]i\varphi2[/itex])=L([itex]\varphi2[/itex]) due to U(1) symmetry. Neither are absolutely generally true. Former requires a linear Lagrangian, later requires it to be symmetric under U(1) transformations. Both of these are true in Quantum Mechanics, but not necessarily in general field theory.
 
U(1) symmetry follows from the general requirements for a Lagrangian field theory. The action must be real under complex conjugation, hence the lagrangian density must contain matched products of phi and phi star and subsequent spacetime derivatives.
 
You are right, it does follow from L = L*. I never really thought of it that way.
 
Thank you for the answers - they are very insightful.
 

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