Landau Quantization: Classical Particle Motion in a Uniform Magnetic Field

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The problem involves a classical particle with charge q and mass m moving in a uniform magnetic field in two dimensions. The discussion focuses on understanding the trajectory of the particle, evaluating the classical action along that trajectory, and determining the magnetic flux as a function of energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the Lorentz force law and its implications for the particle's trajectory, questioning how energy affects the trajectory. There are attempts to derive the equations of motion using Hamiltonian dynamics and to express the Lagrangian for the system. Some participants express confusion regarding the vector potential and its relation to the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the vector potential and its implications for the magnetic field. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the Landau gauge and the formulation of the Lagrangian, but there is no explicit consensus on the trajectory or the evaluation of the classical action.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of energy on the trajectory and the correct formulation of the vector potential. There are references to class notes and textbooks, indicating reliance on external sources for clarification. The discussion also highlights the concept of gauge invariance in the context of vector potentials.

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1. The problem statement
Problem: "Consider a classical particle with charge q and mass m in 2 dimensions (xy-plane) moving in the presence of a uniform magnetic field B=B_z.''

There are a number of parts to this problem, but it's the first three that have me confused.

"(a) Describe the classical trajectory at a given energy E of the particle
(b) Evaluate the classical action along this trajectory
(c) Evaluate the magnetic flux through the classical trajectory as a function of the energy''


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having more trouble setting this up than anything else. I know what the trajectory should look like, I think -- the particle should obey the Lorentz force law and have a periodic circular trajectory (helical, if we take motion in the z-direction into account). What throws me off is the statement "at a given energy E", since that has nothing to do with the Lorentz force the particle experiences, as far as I know. I'm not sure how to take that information into account, and how it affects the classical trajectory.

Then since I can't figure out how to do part (a), I can't evaluate the action along that trajectory. I know the Lagrangian for a classical charged particle moving in a uniform B-field, but I'm not totally sure how to put it to use in this problem. Similarly, I know how to evaluate a classical magnetic flux, but can't do it without the classical trajectory.

Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction!
 
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Hint:

The Hamiltonian function of a particle in an external magnetic field is:

<br /> H = \frac{1}{2 m} \, \left(\mathbf{p} - q \, \mathbf{A}(\mathbf{r}) \right)^{2}<br />

where \mathbf{A} is the vector potential of the field that is connected to the magnetic field:

<br /> \mathbf{B} = \nabla \times \mathbf{A}<br />

What are the equations of motions in Hamiltonian dynamics?
 
Well that's nice. Solving \dot{x}=\partial_{p}H gives m\ddot{x}=p-(q/c)\overrightarrow{A}, and solving \dot{p}=-\partial_{p}H gives something which, if you play around with long enough, gives you the Lorentz force law when combined with the solution to \dot{x}=\partial_{p}H.

So the classical trajectory is, in fact, independent of E and is just the circular trajectory given by the Lorentz force law? And to calculate the action, just use the legendre transform to get (or, more likely, look up) the Lagrangian for a classical particle in a uniform magnetic field?
 
Well, \mathbf{A}(\mathbf{r}) is a function of position and your momentum derivative equation is incorrect. You must find such a vector potential that:

<br /> \nabla \times \mathbf{A} = B \, \hat{\mathbf{z}}<br />

Also, the trajectory is indeed a circle, but the radius of the circle depends on the speed of the particle and, thus, on energy.
 
Oops, typo in the momentum derivative equation. I did solve the right one when I worked it out. Thanks.

As for the latter, I can write the vector potential in Landau Gauge A=(0,B_{x},0).

Then my Lagrangian is L=(1/2)mv^2 + (q/c)v \cdot A, and integrating this over [t_{0}, t_{1}] yields [(1/2)mv^2+ ((q/c)v_{x}B_{x})]\Delta t. This seems really wrong to me.
 
You seem to be copying the expressions from some book. What is the meaning of B_{x} in the y-component?
 
Taking them from my class notes, actually (at least the form of the vector potential). The Lagrangian is written down in Shankar's QM book, and I'm not sure what you mean by "significance"--I thought it was just a way of writing down the vector potential in a gauge that produces the same B_{z}?

I think I am very confused.
 
Sonny Liston said:
I think I am very confused.

Yes, you are. Do you know what curl is?
 
Yes.
 
  • #10
Ok. So, can you find the curl of a vector field given by:

Sonny Liston said:
I can write the vector potential in Landau Gauge A=(0,B_{x},0).
 
  • #11
Yeah, I did so in between my post and yours, and am now confused as to why that is written in both my notes and in Shankar as a gauge where (\nabla \times A) = B_{z}. I was taking their word for it, previously, which was stupid. Confusion is now amplified.
 
  • #12
Sonny Liston said:
Yeah, I did so in between my post and yours, and am now confused as to why that is written in both my notes and in Shankar as a gauge where (\nabla \times A) = B_{z}. I was taking their word for it, previously, which was stupid. Confusion is now amplified.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I just asked you if you could calculate the curl of the A you had posted.
 
  • #13
I did do that. I got \hat{z}\partial_{x}B_{x} - \hat{x}\partial_{z}B_{x}. Is that wrong?
 
  • #14
It is not wrong. However, you seem to be having a component in the x-direction. Does the original magnetic field have a component in that direction?
 
  • #15
No. That is what I meant by my previous post, the one you said you didn't understand -- that it isn't giving me back the magnetic field it is supposed to give.

(Thank you, by the way, for your help and patience. I've been very frustrated by my inability to understand what seems like a straightforward problem.)
 
  • #16
Well, it would if:

<br /> \frac{\partial B_{x}(x, y, z)}{\partial z} = 0<br />

and:

<br /> \frac{\partial B_{x}(x, y, z)}{\partial x} = B = \mathrm{const.}<br />

Can you find the explicit form of a function B_{x}(x, y, z) that would satisfy these conditions?
 
  • #17
It seems like I can find infinitely many functions of that form -- as long as there is no z-dependence and B_{x} is first order in x. Right?
 
  • #18
Sonny Liston said:
It seems like I can find infinitely many functions of that form -- as long as there is no z-dependence and B_{x} is first order in x. Right?

YES! So, the point was, that it was not B_{x} as the y-component of the vector potential \mathbf{A}, but it was actually B \cdot x. The arbitrariness that you had found is because a vector field is not uniquely determined if you simply give its curl (as is the case with A). You can always add a gradient of a scalar function to it. This is referred to as gauge invariance. To uniquely determine the vector potential, we need to choose a gauge. The Landau gauge (or Coulomb or radiation gauge) is:

<br /> \nabla \cdot \mathbf{A} = 0<br />

If you use this gauge, you get the potential you cited with the caveat about the typo in your notes explained above.

Now, do you want to use Lagrange's or Hamilton's formalism to proceed further?
 
  • #19
Since I am asked to calculate the classical action along the trajectory of the particle, Lagrange's formalism seems natural to me. Is that not the best way?

Edit: I posted something that was wrong.
 
  • #20
Sonny Liston said:
Also, in the Landau gauge, does my Lagrangian now become L=\frac{1}{2} m v^{2} - \frac{q}{c} v \cdot A \rightarrow L= \frac{1}{2} m v^{2} - \frac{q B v_{x}}{c} ?

Yes, you are right about the action and Lagrangian. I took the liberty of correcting the formating of your equation (and one minus sign). Can you write the equations of motion (in the xy - plane) for this lagrangian?
 
  • #21
Using (d/dt)(\partial_{\dot{x}_{i}} L) - \partial_{x_{i}} L = 0

I ended up with (d/dt)(m\dot{x_{i}} + (q/c)A_{i}) - (q/c) \partial_{\dot{x}_{i}} v_{i} A_{i}= 0, and using the fact that the time derivative of A has a component (v \cdot \nabla)A and combining equations (and letting indices run over x and y only), I ended up with

ma= (q/c)[\nabla (v \cdot A) - (v \cdot \nabla)A] = (q/c)[v \times B], the Lorentz force law in the x-y plane.

So far so good?
 
  • #22
Ok, you just derived Newton's law with a lorent'z force, but, what is the PARTICULAR form of the equations of motion in our case under consideration?
 
  • #23
Oh. Right.

Plugging in our B=(0,0,B), I get m(d^2_{t})x = \hat{x}(v_y)B_{z} - \hat{y}(v_x)B_{z}.
 
  • #24
right, let me rewrite these in the form:

<br /> \begin{array}{rcl}<br /> m \, \dot{v}_{x} &amp; = &amp; \frac{q}{c} \, v_{y} \, B \\<br /> <br /> m \, \dot{v}_{y} &amp; = &amp; -\frac{q}{c} \, v_{x} \, B<br /> \end{array}<br />

Can you find a solution for v_{x}(t) and v_{y}(t) of this coupled system of 1st order ODEs?
 
  • #25
Letting \frac{qB}{mc}=\omega_{c}, we get that v_{x} = sin(\omega t) + x_{0} and v_{y} = cos(\omega t) + y_{0}.

So these describe the motion of the particle in the xy plane, carving out a circular trajectory. Excellent.

Now how would I go about calculating the classical action along this trajectory? Do I just integrate the Lagrangian over arbitrary [t_{0}, t_{1}]?
 
  • #26
Substitute your solutions for v_{x}(t) and v_{y}(t) in the expression for the Lagrangian L. The action is given by the definite integral:

<br /> S = \int_{t_{0}}^{t}{L \, dt}<br />
 
  • #27
Alright, so I integrated \int (1/2)m[1 + 2(x_{0} sin(\omega t) + y_{0} cos(\omega t)) + (x^2)_{0} + (y^2)_{0}] - m\omega(sin(\omega t) + (x_{0})

and get

(1/2)m[1 + (x_{0})^2 + (y_{0})^2 - x_{0} \omega]\Delta t - mx_{0} \omega(cos(\omega t_{0}) - cos(\omega t_{1})) + my_{0} \omega(sin(\omega t_{0}) - sin(\omega t_{1})) + ((\omega)^2)(cos(\omega t_{0}) - cos(\omega t_{1})).

The resulting action can probably be simplified, but does that look in the ballpark of correct? And again, I can't thank you enough for how helpful you've been.
 
  • #28
First of all, the solution of the equations:

<br /> \begin{array}{rcl}<br /> \dot{v}_{x} &amp; = &amp; \omega \, v_{y} \\<br /> <br /> \dot{v}_{y} &amp; = &amp; -\omega \, v_{x}<br /> \end{array}<br />
which can be manipulated to get an equation with respect to a single variable:
<br /> v_{y} = \frac{\dot{v}_{x}}{\omega}<br />

<br /> \ddot{v}_{x} = \omega \, \dot{v}_{y} = -\omega^{2} \, v_{x}<br />

Imagine the initial velocity is directed in the x-direction. This means:

<br /> v_{x 0} = v_{0}, \; v_{y 0} = 0<br />

The equation \ddot{v}_{x} + \omega^{2} \, v_{x} = 0 with the initial conditions is v_{x 0} = v_{0}. \; \dot{v}_{x} = 0 has a solution:

<br /> v_{x}(t) = v_{0} \, \cos{(\omega t)}<br />

and, for v_{y} = \dot{v}_{x}/\omega, we get:

<br /> v_{y} = -v_{0} \, \sin{(\omega t)}<br />

You should use these in the Lagrangian. The integrals are elementary (after some double angle formulas from trigonometry). The actions S(t) is a periodic function of time with the period 2\pi/\omega. I would appreciate if you posted the final expression for S(t) here.
 
  • #29
So I'm mildly concerned, because I didn't have to use any double angle formulas, but here is what I got:

My Lagrangian becomes L = (m/2)((v_{x})^2 + (v_{y})^2) - (mv_{0})\omega cos(\omega t) \longrightarrow L = (m/2)[(v_{0})^2((sin(\omega t))^2 + (cos(\omega t))^2] - (mv_{0})\omega cos(\omega t)

which integrates very easily to

S(t) = [(m(v_{0})^2)/2]\Delta t - ((\omega)^2)mv_{0}[sin(\omega t_{1}) - sin(\omega t_{2})].
 
  • #30
You are right about the kinetic energy term. The term with the vector potential, however, is:

<br /> -\frac{q}{c} \, (\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{A}) = -\frac{q \, B}{c} \, v_{y} \, x<br />

So, you will need to find the dependence of x(t) before you proceed.
 

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