Laplace Transform and Convolution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the computation of the output of a linear time-invariant (LTI) system given an input signal and an impulse response, specifically using convolution and the Laplace transform. Participants are exploring both methods to find the output signal y(t) and addressing challenges related to the Laplace transform of unit step functions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the output y(t) from convolution as piecewise defined but expresses uncertainty about the Laplace transform of unit step functions.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the Laplace transform of unit step functions in tables, indicating that it is commonly available.
  • A participant shares their computed Laplace transforms for x(t) and h(t) and seeks guidance on the next steps.
  • Another participant advises applying the convolution theorem to proceed with the Laplace transform method.
  • One participant calculates Y(s) using the convolution theorem but notes a discrepancy between their results from convolution and Laplace transform.
  • Several participants challenge the correctness of the inverse Laplace transform and the initial convolution results, indicating potential errors without specifying what those errors are.
  • There is a discussion about the inverse Laplace transform of 1/s², with one participant stating it is t, while another clarifies the correct form involving the unit step function.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the inverse Laplace transform and suggests focusing on part (b) to clarify misunderstandings from part (a).
  • A participant explains how to compute the Laplace transform of unit step functions, detailing the restriction of the integral and the factorization involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the outputs derived from convolution and the Laplace transform, with no consensus reached on the final results or methods. Multiple competing interpretations of the Laplace transform and its application are present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the application of the inverse Laplace transform and the correctness of the convolution results. Participants have not fully detailed their steps, leading to ambiguity in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


The signal x(t) = u(t-1) - u(t-3) is the input to an LTI system with the impulse response h(t) = u(t-5) - u(t-8). the system is initially at rest.

a) Compute the output y(t) of this system using convolution.
b) Compute the output y(t) of this system using the Laplace transform.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I got the answer to be

y(t) =

0, t <= 6
2, 6 < t <= 8
1, 8 < t <= 9
2, 9 < t <= 11
0, t > 11

b) I have no idea how to compute the laplace transform of unit step functions. any help?
 
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You could plug u(t) into the definition of the Laplace transform, but its transform is probably in every table of Laplace transforms so you can just look it up.
 
I got the laplace transforms of x(t) and h(t) to be e^(-s)/s - e^(-3s)/s and e^(-5s)/s - e^(-8s)/s, respectively. Where do I go from here?
 
I got Y(s) = (e^(-s)/s - e^(-3s)/s) * (e^(-5s)/s - e^(-8s)/s) = (e-6s + e-11s - e-9s - e-8s)/(s2). The laplace transform of that is u(t - 6) - u(t-8) - u(t-9) + u(t-11), but that's not what I got for the convolution in part a.
 
You didn't take the inverse transform correctly. The inverse transform of 1/s2 isn't u(t). Also, your answer to part (a) isn't correct.
 
vela said:
You didn't take the inverse transform correctly. The inverse transform of 1/s2 isn't u(t). Also, your answer to part (a) isn't correct.

Is the laplace transform u(t - 6)t - u(t-8)t - u(t-9)t + u(t-11)t? what did I do wrong in part a?
 
Quincy said:
Is the laplace transform u(t - 6)t - u(t-8)t - u(t-9)t + u(t-11)t?
No. First, what is the inverse Laplace transform of 1/s2?
what did I do wrong in part a?
It's impossible to say since all you did was post your answer. Let's concentrate first on part (b) though. It's relatively easy to get the answer that way, then perhaps you may see what went wrong in part (a). If not, you can post your work and we'll see where you went astray.
 
from looking at the table, I got the inverse laplace transform of 1/s^2 to be t.
 
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Oh, sorry, I completely missed the factors of t you had in post 7. That's almost the correct answer. The inverse Laplace of e-asF(s) is f(t-a)u(t-a). In this case, you have F(s)=1/s2, so you have f(t)=t. You end up with y(t) = (t-6) u(t-6) + ...
 
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Quincy said:

Homework Statement


The signal x(t) = u(t-1) - u(t-3) is the input to an LTI system with the impulse response h(t) = u(t-5) - u(t-8). the system is initially at rest.

a) Compute the output y(t) of this system using convolution.
b) Compute the output y(t) of this system using the Laplace transform.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I got the answer to be

y(t) =

0, t <= 6
2, 6 < t <= 8
1, 8 < t <= 9
2, 9 < t <= 11
0, t > 11

b) I have no idea how to compute the laplace transform of unit step functions. any help?

The unit step function is zero until you reach c (the x coordinate of the first step) and after that, the lower boundary of the integral that is the Laplace transform can be restricted to c. If you factor out e^(-s*c), you are left with e^(-s*c)*L(f(t)) where f(t-c) is the function that the unit step function is being multiplied by.
 

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