# Laplace Transform F(s) = s/((s^2)+2s+10)

1. Feb 23, 2008

### krnhseya

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Inverse Laplace Transform of given, F(s) = s/((s^2)+2s+10)

2. Relevant equations

n/a

3. The attempt at a solution

I reduced it down to s/(((s+1)^2)+9) but I can't find the proper form of it, meaning I have to reduce is a little bit more but I can't think of a way to do this.

Another questions
1)For inverse laplace transform of 1/s...it's 1(t), which 1 is in terms of t.
If there's a constant, 3, can I write it as 3(t)?

2)Derivation of the Laplace transform of, f(t) = t(e^-2t)
How should I approach this problem?

Thanks!

2. Feb 23, 2008

### pooface

For the main problem, I think you should use impartial fractions to solve it.

zeros: 0
poles: use quadratic formula for s^2+2s+10. roots might be complex numbers.

Then once you get the residue, apply inverse laplace.

1)inverse laplace transform of 1/s is F(t)=1 by F(t)=k ---> F(s)=k/s and F(t)=kt -----> F(s) = k/s^2

This stuff is new to me right now but I will try to put out some thoughts.

2) derivative of f(t)=t(e^-2t), use product rule.

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3. Feb 24, 2008

### krnhseya

i am lost 1) and 2)...
how you get F(s) = k/s^2?
isnt inverse of laplace transform of (1/s) 1?
so since i have k=-3, which is a constant, i should just write -3?
Why does book have inverse laplace transform of 1/s as 1(t) instead of just 1?

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4. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

You shouldn't use partial fractions, the method you proposed is indeed the right approach. However in studying Laplace transforms you certainly have encountered the following formula's:

$$L\left(sin(at)\right)=\frac{a}{s^2+a^2}$$
$$L\left(cos(at)\right)=\frac{s}{s^2+a^2}$$
$$L\left(e^{at}F(t)\right)=f(s-a)$$

Can you proceed from here by rewriting your expression:

$$f(s)=\frac{s}{(s+1)^2+9}$$

to something that fits the above formulas?

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5. Feb 24, 2008

### pooface

good one coomast. I didnt see that. I am new to this because of my control systems theory course. thanks.

EDIT: OP, K is a constant by the way.

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6. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

The first is correct, but I wouldn't write it explicitely as a function of t, it is independent of it, The value is the constant function ranging from 0 to infinity (if your laplace integral also has this range, there are other definitions). So in short I would write it as:

$$F(t)=1 \qquad \rightarrow \qquad f(s)=\frac{1}{s}$$
$$F(t)=3 \qquad \rightarrow \qquad f(s)=\frac{3}{s}$$

For the second additional question try to see if it fits the third formula I gave and the fact that:

$$F(t)=t \qquad \rightarrow \qquad f(s)=\frac{1}{s^2}$$

That should do the job.

7. Feb 24, 2008

### krnhseya

thank you very much. so 1) questions is answered
i need to work on main problem and 2)...
can anyone give my rough guidance to how to derive that?
i am guessing that i cant use any of those "derived formulas"
once again thank you!

8. Feb 24, 2008

### pooface

for 2) you want to conduct laplace transform then take the derivative?

F(t)=k[e^(-at)] -----> f(s)= k/(s+a)

k,a are constants.

9. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

For the second additional question, there is no derivative involved here. Look at the third formula I gave, It says that the Laplace transformation of a function multiplied by an exponential function is the Laplace transform of the function and adapt the value of s by s-a. This means that you need to take the transformation of t, and change the s to s-a, which is in this case s-(-2)=s+2.

For the main one, how did you rewrite what you had in order to fit the formulas I gave?

OK, I see the problem now. Assume the Laplace transform of F(t) is f(s) then you have:
$$L\left(e^{at}F(t)\right)=f(s-a)$$
Maybe this clears it up.

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10. Feb 24, 2008

### krnhseya

main one...not really sure how i can break that into s^2 + a^2...

11. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

You don't need to break it up like that. I meant to say is write it as:

$$\frac{s}{(s+1)^2+3^2}= \frac{s+1}{(s+1)^2+3^2}- \frac{1}{3}\cdot \frac{3}{(s+1)^2+3^2}$$

Looking now at the formula's I gave, can you recognize what this is?

12. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

For the second additional question, it is exactly the same method:

$$L\left(t\right)=\frac{1}{s^2}$$

using the third formula:

$$L\left(te^{-2t}\right)=\frac{1}{(s-(-2))^2}=\frac{1}{(s+2)^2}$$

Hope that helps in order to find the main one. Normally I'm not in the habit of posting a solution, but it seems that you have to go back to page one of your course text. I'm under the impression that it's all very strange to you. The way to solve this is by studying the basic formulas of basic functions and look on how they are derived and also to proof the (few) calculation rules involved in the Laplace transform, without going into the complex domain, that's for later and more advanced study.

I don't want to sound too harsh, please come back if you have any more questions, I'm happy to help you.

13. Feb 24, 2008

### krnhseya

yeah lol

(e^-t)(cos3t)-(1/3)(e^-t)(sin3t)
now time to derive...

 just saw your last post...
i have a test tomorrow and we covered this last class which was on wednesday...
it's very new to me but things are making sense now...i've been working on it since yesterday ;)
thank you very much for your help!

14. Feb 24, 2008

### coomast

Very good, that's the correct one. This gives me a warm feeling, you saying: oooooh...I see. That's why I'm coming to the forum :-)

Do the test well tomorrow.

best regards,
Coomast

15. Feb 24, 2008

### krnhseya

yeah i am set for that homework.
time to study for my test! :)
have a great one!