Large oscillations of pendulum

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The discussion revolves around determining the period of large oscillations for a pendulum, specifically focusing on the relationship between the oscillation period and the amplitude. The original poster presents a mathematical framework involving integrals and differential equations to explore this relationship.

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  • Participants discuss various mathematical approaches, including the use of integrals and differential equations. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain assumptions and the integration limits. Some participants suggest using conservation of energy as an alternative method.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical formulations and questioning the relationships between variables. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning have been presented, including the use of integrals and energy conservation.

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Participants note the potential complexity of the integral forms and the need to align them with the problem statement. There are references to coursework that may influence the understanding of the problem, but specific details are not provided.

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Homework Statement


Find the large oscillation period T of pendulum. Suppose that the amplitude is ##\theta_0##
We can write oscillation period T by the sum of a series, know that:
$$\int_0^1 \frac{dt}{\sqrt{(1-t^2)(1-k^2t^2)}}=\frac{\pi}{2} \sum_{n=0}^{∞}(\frac{(2n)!}{2^{2n}(n!)^2})^2$$
Let ##T_0=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{l}g}## which l is the length of pendulum, we have the graph of ratio ##\frac{T}{T_0}## respects to amplitude ##\theta_0##:
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Homework Equations


The differential equation is:
$$\ddot{\theta}+\frac{g}{l}sin\theta=0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I think that using the condition and graph to solve this equation. But how?

Thanks for helping
 
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At some point in the attempt at a solution, you may get an integral that can be made to look like the one in your problem statement.
As to the details, look to the coursework you have just recently completed.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
At some point in the attempt at a solution, you may get an integral that can be made to look like the one in your problem statement.
Thanks, but by a point of the graph I always have: ##(\frac{T}{T_0})_i=\theta_i##
How to get an intergral?
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
Thanks, but by a point of the graph I always have: ##(\frac{T}{T_0})_i=\theta_i##
That does not make any sense. The graph is for ##(T/T_0) = f(\theta_0)## where ##f## is given by the curve.
Is that how your most recent coursework has handled things?

Note: you usually need to integrate in order to solve differential equations.
I cannot tell you anything more specific because I don't know what you've just done in your course.
 
I think the differential equation don't help me anything, so I decided to use the conservation of energy, it seems useful because that have more data.
The angular velocity of pendulum at time t:
$$\frac{1}{2}mv^2=mglcos\theta-mglcos\theta_0\Rightarrow \dot{\theta}=\sqrt{\frac{2g}{l}(cos\theta-\cos\theta_0)}=\frac{d\theta}{dt}$$
So:
$$dt=\frac{d\theta}{\sqrt{\dfrac{2g}{l}(cos\theta-\cos\theta_0)}}$$
The interal, let ##t=sin\theta## we have:
$$I=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \frac{d\theta}{\sqrt{1-k^2sin^2{\theta}}}$$
It seems similar form but I can't make they exactly alike.
 
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let ##t=\sin\theta##
... is that the sort of thing you can just "let"?
Don't you already have t defined to be time elsewhere?

How are you choosing the limits of the integration ... notice the integral example goes from 0 to 1?
Notes: ##\int_0^T t\; dt = T## also ##2g/l = 4\pi/T_0## and if you put a backslash in front of the "sin" etc you get proper typesetting for trig.

... basically that is the approach though - keep playing around until you get something promising.
 
$$dT=\frac{d\theta}{\sqrt{\dfrac{2g}{l}(cos\theta-\cos\theta_0)}}$$
Let ##cos\theta=1-2sin^2(\frac{\theta}{2})##
So I have:
$$dT=\frac{d\theta}{\sqrt{\dfrac{4g}{l}[sin^2(\frac{\theta_0}{2})-sin^2(\frac{\theta}{2})]}}$$
$$\int_0^{\frac{T}4}dT=\frac{T_0}{4\pi}\int_0^{\theta_0}\frac{d\theta}{{\sqrt{sin^2(\frac{\theta_0}{2})-sin^2(\frac{\theta}{2})]}}}$$
Let ##t=\dfrac{sin\frac{\theta}{2}}{sin\frac{\theta_0}{2}}## then:
$$\int_0^{\frac{T}4}dT=\frac{T_0}{2\pi}\int_0^{1}\frac{dt}{{\sqrt{(1-sin^2(\frac{\theta_0}{2})t^2)(1-t^2)}}}$$
So
$$\frac{T}{T_0}=\sum_{n=0}^{∞}(\frac{(2n)!}{2^{2n}(n!)^2})^2$$
I think it correct :((
 
But I don't see how this ratio respectsto ##\theta_0##. As you told, Does ## f(\theta_0)## equals sum?
 

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