Large Scale anomaly in Planck data

In summary: I think the anomalies are much stronger than he is allowing for, but I guess we will have to wait for the 2014 data to be sure.In summary, the Planck conference has revealed a large scale anomaly that could potentially challenge inflation or suggest pre big bang physics. However, the papers released so far show that the base CDM model is remarkably consistent with the Planck data, but there are some tensions with direct measurements of the Hubble constant and the SNLS Type Ia supernova compilation. This could be due to unknown sources of systematic error or could indicate that the base CDM model is incomplete. More data and analysis will be released in 2014 to further investigate the anomalies and potentially uncover new physics
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Just watching tweets come out of the conference, apparently there is a large scale anomaly that has come out of PLanck . One tweet says challenge to inflation, another says could be pre big bang physics. Obvioulsy I am just reading tweets, so not sure what's real yet. But this could be exciting stuff.
The papers are released in a few hours. So we shall see what this is really about.
 
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Hearing "amplitude of the vairations in the CMB are larger on one side of the sky than the other"
 
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Other sutff: dark matter: 26.8 % , 4.9% baryonic matter, 26.8% dark energy. Hubble constant = 67.15km/s/Mpc age of universe = 13.82 bio year, 3 species of neutrinos.
 
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skydivephil said:
Just watching tweets come out of the conference, apparently there is a large scale anomaly that has come out of PLanck . One tweet says challenge to inflation, another says could be pre big bang physics. Obvioulsy I am just reading tweets, so not sure what's real yet. But this could be exciting stuff.
The papers are released in a few hours. So we shall see what this is really about.

Wow! Is there some link where one can have access to info from the conference?

EDIT: Nevermind I just saw the other thread.
 
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So now the dust has settled a bit, the papers are out, if you go on the other thread I started on Planck results, you will see a link and to conclusions. The paper did not consider the results a challenge to inflation, but it did say the WMAP anomalies were still present.
 
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The papers are here: http://www.sciops.esa.int/index.php?project=PLANCK&page=Planck_Published_Papers . About 30 papers all told, however, only a dozen or so are really interesting. It appears the consensus on CMB anomalies is yep, they are there and we don't quite know what to make of it. It certainly implies some sort of new physics in the very early universe.
 
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I would say that the consensus is that we don't know, and more work needs to be done. It is very premature to talk about new physics at this stage at all.
 
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skydivephil said:
Other sutff: , 26.8% dark energy.

26.8% dark energy?

Typo? 86.2 or 68.2?
 
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d3mm said:
26.8% dark energy?

Typo? 86.2 or 68.2?

68.6%
 
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From the cosmological parameters paper of the Planck collaboration:


"If we accept that the base CDM model
is the correct cosmology, then as discussed in Sect. 5 Planck is
in tension with direct measurements of the Hubble constant (at
about the 2,5 sigma level) and in mild tension with the SNLS Type
Ia supernova compilation (at about the 2 sigma level). For the base
CDM model, we also find a high amplitude for the present-day
matter fluctuations, σ8 = 0,828±0,012, in agreement with previous
CMB experiments. This value is higher than that inferred
from counts of rich clusters of galaxies, including our own analysis
of Planck cluster counts (Planck Collaboration XX 2013).
One possible interpretation of these tensions is that some
sources of systematic error are not completely understood in
some astrophysical measurements. The fact that the Planck results
for the base CDM model are in such good agreement with
BAO data, which are based on a simple geometrical measurement,
lends support to this view. An alternative explanation is
that the base CDM model is incorrect.

Our overall conclusion is that the Planck data are remarkably
consistent with the predictions of the base CDM cosmology.
However, the mismatch with the temperature spectrum at
low multipoles, evident in Figs. 1 and 39, and the existence of
other “anomalies” at low multipoles, is possibly indicative that
the model is incomplete. The results presented here are based on
a first, and relatively conservative, analysis of the Planck data.
The 2014 data release will use data obtained over the full mission
lifetime of Planck, including polarization data. It remains
to be seen whether these data, together with new astrophysical
data sets and CMB polarization measurements, will off er any
convincing evidence for new physics."

I think saying "it is possibly indicative that the model is incomplete" is at the least an understatement, but it is also understandable given where is coming from.
 

1. What is a "Large Scale Anomaly" in the Planck data?

A Large Scale Anomaly in the Planck data refers to an unexpected and unexplained pattern or deviation from the predicted behavior of the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) on a large scale. The CMB is the leftover radiation from the Big Bang and is considered to be the oldest light in the universe. Any significant deviations from the expected behavior of the CMB can provide important insights into the early universe and its evolution.

2. What causes Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data?

The exact cause of Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data is still unknown and is a topic of ongoing research. Some theories suggest that these anomalies could be caused by gravitational lensing, which is the bending of light due to the presence of massive objects in the universe. Other theories propose the existence of new physics or undiscovered cosmic structures that could be responsible for these anomalies.

3. How significant are Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data?

The significance of Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data is a matter of debate among scientists. Some researchers argue that these anomalies are simply statistical flukes and do not hold much significance, while others believe that they could be key to unlocking new understandings about the universe. More research and analysis is needed to determine the true significance of these anomalies.

4. Have Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data been observed before?

Yes, Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data have been observed in previous studies. In fact, the Planck satellite was specifically designed to map the CMB and look for any deviations from the predicted behavior. Previous missions, such as WMAP and COBE, have also detected similar anomalies in the CMB. However, the Planck data has provided more precise measurements and revealed new anomalies not seen before.

5. What impact do Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data have on our understanding of the universe?

The existence of Large Scale Anomalies in the Planck data challenges our current understanding of the universe and its evolution. These anomalies suggest the presence of unknown or unexplained phenomena that could provide crucial insights into the early universe and its formation. They also highlight the need for further research and analysis to fully understand the implications of these anomalies and their impact on our current understanding of the universe.

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