Laser Physics: Second Harmonic Generation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of second harmonic generation in laser physics, specifically exploring the relationship between the intensities of fundamental and second harmonic waves. Participants examine the mathematical relationships and physical principles underlying these phenomena, including the role of polarization and susceptibility in nonlinear optics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the intensity of the second harmonic wave, I_{2\omega}, is proportional to the square of the intensity of the fundamental wave, I_{\omega}^2, based on mathematical relationships involving electric fields and polarization.
  • One participant questions the validity of using the linear relation P = \chi E to derive the intensity relationship, suggesting that it may not hold in nonlinear materials.
  • Another participant mentions the necessity of solving the driven wave equation with nonlinear polarization as a source term to establish the proportionality between E(2\omega) and P(2\omega), which leads to the conclusion that I(2\omega) is proportional to I(\omega)^2.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which the linear approximation can be applied, particularly after the wave has exited the region where the fundamental frequency is present.
  • One participant introduces the idea of expanding polarization in a Taylor series, indicating that the second-order term's intensity is proportional to the fourth power of the electric field, which relates back to the intensity of the fundamental wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of linear relations in the context of nonlinear optics. While some agree on the proportionality of intensities, others challenge the assumptions made regarding the linearity of materials involved in the discussion. The conversation remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions made about linearity and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the intensity of the waves and the material properties. The discussion highlights the complexity of deriving relationships in nonlinear optics without reaching a consensus on the validity of certain approaches.

Niles
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Hi

I was told that I is proportional to Iω2. It does not say so in my book. How is it one can easily see that it is the case?


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Well, [tex]P_{2\omega}=\beta E_\omega^2[/tex] and [tex]I_{\2\omega}=P_{2\omega}^2/2 \epsilon_{2\omega} =\beta ^2 /\epsilon_{2\omega} E_\omega^4\propto I_\omega^2[/tex] as [tex]I_\omega=E^2_\omega/2 \epsilon_\omega[/tex].
 
Thanks, but how do we know that

[tex] I_{\2\omega}=P_{2\omega}^2/2 \epsilon_{2\omega}[/tex]

?
 
Hm, I have been maybe a bit too floppy. What I had in mind is [tex]I=\epsilon E^2/2=D^2/2 \epsilon[/tex]. So you have to express D in terms of P, i.e., [tex]P=(\epsilon -\epsilon_0)E=\chi E[/tex] to get [tex]I=\epsilon P^2/2 \chi^2[/tex].
 
The relation

[tex] P=\chi E [/tex]

only holds for linear materials. Isn't it wrong to use it to show what we are after?
 
Once you solve for the polarization at 2w (which is proportional to Iw), you then need to solve the driven wave equation with the nonlinear polarization as the source term. I can't tell you how it's done off the top of my head, but you can see it in Boyd's nonlinear optics for one(also Rick Trebino's FROG book, I think any book that goes into nonlinear optics will have this). I've never gone through it exactly, but I believe the slowly varying envelope approximation is made and other than that it's just some math which ends up showing that E(2w) is proportional to P(2w). And therefore I(2w) is proportional to I(w)^2.
 
Niles said:
The relation

[tex] P=\chi E [/tex]

only holds for linear materials. Isn't it wrong to use it to show what we are after?
Yes, but you can use this relation once the wave has left the zone where light of frequency omega is present.
 
johng23 said:
Once you solve for the polarization at 2w (which is proportional to Iw), you then need to solve the driven wave equation with the nonlinear polarization as the source term. I can't tell you how it's done off the top of my head, but you can see it in Boyd's nonlinear optics for one(also Rick Trebino's FROG book, I think any book that goes into nonlinear optics will have this). I've never gone through it exactly, but I believe the slowly varying envelope approximation is made and other than that it's just some math which ends up showing that E(2w) is proportional to P(2w). And therefore I(2w) is proportional to I(w)^2.

Thanks, I will have to find the Boyd book at my library. It looks good.


DrDu said:
Yes, but you can use this relation once the wave has left the zone where light of frequency omega is present.

I see. Is this equivalent of saying that the generated higher-harmonic wave behaves linearly in the material, because of low intensity, and also - possibly - because its frequency is too far off resonance?
 
You can expand P in a Taylor's series in terms of powers of E. Coefficients are linear and nonlinear susceptibility terms.

[tex]P=\chi_1 E+\chi_2 E^2+...[/tex]

The intensity of the second order term [tex]I_2=|P_2|^2[/tex] is proportional to [tex]I_1^2=|E|^4[/tex]
 

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