Latent Heat and conservation of energy

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a cooking vessel containing water and ice in thermal equilibrium, focusing on the concepts of latent heat and conservation of energy. The scenario describes the temperature changes of the mixture over time and seeks to determine the initial mass of ice present.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy balance during the melting and heating phases, questioning how to incorporate power into their calculations. Some express confusion over the timing and energy relationships, while others attempt to set up equations based on energy conservation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on setting up equations involving latent heat and power, while others are re-evaluating their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between energy, power, and time, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific information regarding power and timing in the problem statement, which complicates their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of assumptions made regarding constant power delivery from the heating element.

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Homework Statement


A cooking vessel on a slow burner contains 11.0 kg of water and an unknown mass of ice in equilibrium at 0°C at time t = 0. The temperature of the mixture is measured at various times. During the first 50.0 min, the mixture remains at 0°C. From 50.0 min to 60.0 min, the temperature increases to 2.00°C. Ignoring the heat capacity of the vessel, determine the initial mass of ice.



Homework Equations



Q =mcΔT; Q= mL

cwater=4186
Lfusion=333000

Qhot + Qcold=0

The Attempt at a Solution


miceLfusin+micecwaterΔT+mwatercwaterΔT = 0

mice(333000) + mice(8372) + 92092 = 0

This gives me mice = 0.269kg but i know this is wrong. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
 
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During the melting phase all the energy goes into melting the ice (water stays at zero) so

Mice * Lfusion = Power * Timemelt

After melting during the heating phase..

(Mwater + Mice) * Cwater * ΔT = power * Timeheat

Two unknowns and two equations.
 
Thanks for the reply... I reworked the problem but I am still getting it wrong somehow...
 
ok now I got it... I mustve been doing something wrong with the calculations...how did you know to bring power into the formula?
 
What is the definition of power?
 
rico22 said:
...how did you know to bring power into the formula?

I started by writing out..

Mice * Lfusion = Emelt

but then you get stuck because there isn't enough info in the problem statement to calculate the energy and the timing information hadn't been used.

Energy is related to power using...

Power = Energy/time

or

Energy = Power * Time.

I made the reasonable assumption that the heater element delivered constant power.
 
ok thank you!
 

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