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Latent heat, steam and ice question

  1. Apr 27, 2008 #1
    [SOLVED] Latent heat, steam and ice question

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    14g of steam at 100C is added to 47g of ice at 0.0 degrees C.
    a) Find the amount of ice melted and the final temperature.

    2. Relevant equations

    3. The attempt at a solution
    Ordinarily, in such a problem, you would have to consider the various processes which affect Q(hot) and Q(cold). However, in this problem, the starting temperatures are 100 and 0 C, so the heat or energy goes directly to the phase change, correct?


    Q(hot)= -m[tex]_{s}[/tex]*L[tex]_{v}[/tex] + m[tex]_{s}[/tex]*c[tex]_{w}[/tex]*T[tex]_{f}[/tex]

    Q(cold)= m[tex]_{i}[/tex]*L[tex]_{f}[/tex] + m[tex]_{i}[/tex]*c[tex]_{w}[/tex]*T[tex]_{f}[/tex]


    solving for T[tex]_{f}[/tex], I get 62.62 degrees C.

    Obviously I'm misusing or neglecting one or more equations in the Q calculations, as my solution does not even solve for the mass of the water. I'm thoroughly confused as to which equation to use with which variables. (between latent heat and the specific heat capacity equation.)
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  3. Apr 27, 2008 #2
    I'm sorry, I meant to use subscripts not superscripts!
  4. Apr 27, 2008 #3
    did I leave anything out? Not show enough work? My T(final) seems reasonable, but was not the correct answer.
  5. Apr 27, 2008 #4
    After the vapour condenses it is at 100C. To cool down to [itex] T_f [/itex] it has to lose more heat. the second term of Q(hot) should also be a negative number.
  6. Apr 27, 2008 #5
    with that in mind, solving for T yields 342.44, and unless I messed up something with units, that is already in Celsius. I would think the value would be between 0 and 100...
  7. Apr 27, 2008 #6
    what is the heat loss if 14g of water at 100C cools to T_f ? put that in the equation for Q(hot)
  8. Apr 27, 2008 #7
    I realized I messed up the signs of Q(cold) in the equation when trying your first suggestion of making the second term of Q(hot) negative. So my answer of 342 was off. However even after fixing that issue, I get 115.8.

    So...perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but as far as I can tell, I have incorporated the cooling of the water into the expression for Q.

    Q(hot) = latent heat of condensing vapor + cooling of water to T(final).
    Q(cold) = latent heat of melting ice + heating of water to T(final).

    setting Q(hot) = -Q(cold)...

    -m(steam)L(v)+ -m(steam)c(water)T(f) = -[m(ice)L(f) + m(ice)c(water)T(f)]

    solving for T(f) yields 115.77, which as far as I can tell, is still wrong.

    Perhaps I misunderstood your last comment?

    Thanks for the help so far,
  9. Apr 27, 2008 #8
    in the specific heat equation for the water coming from steam, instead should it be:


    Last edited: Apr 27, 2008
  10. Apr 27, 2008 #9
    Nothing seems to be working. I've tried every combination of signs (pos/neg) I can think of. Clearly I'm missing something from one of the equations. Even if I solve for the correct temperature, that is only half the solution.

    Any other suggestions?
  11. Apr 27, 2008 #10
    I seem to have figured it out. Basically, you calculate the overall energy (heat) released by the condensation of the steam. This is more than enough to melt all 47g of ice. So now you have 47g of water at 0C, a fraction of the water from steam at 100C, and the remaining steam itself. Using the remaining energy from the steam, I calculated much this could raise the temperature of the 0C water, then did a weighted average between this value and the water still at 100C.
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