Laws of Motion in weight lifting

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on applying Newton's laws of motion to the mechanics of weight lifting, specifically during the eccentric phase of a bench press exercise. Participants explore the forces acting on a barbell as it is lowered, considering concepts such as constant speed, inertia, and net forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Zach, seeks to understand the forces acting during the lowering phase of a bench press, questioning how a barbell can lower while being pushed up with an equal force.
  • Another participant explains that to initiate downward movement, the upward force must be momentarily decreased to allow gravity to take over, leading to acceleration downwards.
  • A later reply suggests that due to inertia, a force greater than the weight of the dumbbell is necessary at the bottom of the motion to stop it, prompting a clarification about the role of inertia in this context.
  • Concerns are raised about the misuse of terminology regarding inertia, emphasizing that a net upward force is required to decelerate the weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Newton's laws to the bench press scenario. There is no consensus on the interpretation of inertia and its implications for the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of forces and inertia may not be fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of the forces involved in the exercise.

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Hi all, I'm trying to get my head round how to apply Newtons laws and an exercise like a bench press, probably a bit simple to what you guys are used to.

I want to make it as simple as possible to understand what forces would be acting during the eccentric phase of an exercise, I.e lowering the barbell during a bench press.

Rather than viewing it as a moment I want to view it as an object moving vertically at a constant speed. So say you lower a 50K dumbell over a 3 second period, let's suppose you move it 0.6 metres. means it's traveling at 0.2 m/s
now if it's moving at a constant speed, the forces should be equal, which means you'd be pushing up at 50K, but if that was the case, how would it be lowering in the first place. THink I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle. Anyways any help would be really appreciated, if anyone would be willing to chat on MSN it would be much appreciated.


Regards
Zach.
 
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Say it's stationary at the top. So you are pushing it up with 50k, and gravity is pulling down with 50k. To start it moving down, you momentarily decrease the force with which you are pushing it up, so that gravity can pull it down. It accelerates downwards. It stops accelerating, and continues moving downwards with constant velocity when you increase your upward force back to 50k.
 
Cool, that makes sense, then because of the intertia, a force greater than 50K would be required at the bottom of the motion to stop it.

Thanks for your help.
 
SPYDER2002 said:
Cool, that makes sense, then because of the intertia, a force greater than 50K would be required at the bottom of the motion to stop it.

Thanks for your help.

What do you mean "because of the inertia?" Be careful not to misuse terminology.

The only thing inertia does is tell you that if you don't do something, the weight will keep moving downward at a constant speed. I.e., there has to be a *net* upward force on the dumbbell if you want to decelerate it. Obviously you have to push up with more than 50 kg * g if you want there to be a *net* force.
 

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