Lead Acid Batteries: Mixing Old/New Cells- Damage?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of mixing old and new lead-acid battery cells in series, focusing on potential damage to the new cells, charge levels, and methods to manage mixed cell conditions. It includes considerations of battery performance, testing methods, and longevity.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether mixing old and new cells of the same voltage and rating can damage the new cells.
  • Another participant suggests that while it shouldn't hurt the new cells, they may not charge sufficiently, which could be detrimental over time. They also note that old cells may reverse charge during discharge, potentially causing damage.
  • Concerns are raised about the importance of keeping cells in a series string at the same ampere-hour rating and state of charge to maximize available ampere-hours.
  • Questions are posed about the accuracy of open-circuit voltage (OCV) tests in determining the charge level of lead-acid cells, with a participant noting that OCV tests are more reliable for lithium-ion cells.
  • Observations are made regarding the slower voltage recovery of old cells compared to new ones after a load is applied, prompting inquiries about what this indicates about the condition of the old cells.
  • Suggestions are made about methods to equalize charge levels among mixed cells and to prolong their lifespan, including the recommendation to keep old cells in a separate string and consider disposal when they degrade.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of mixing old and new cells, with no consensus on whether it is safe or advisable. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on battery management and testing methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in OCV testing for different battery chemistries and the historical dependence of certain cell types on charge and discharge conditions, which may affect voltage readings.

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Can mixing (in series) old cells with new cells of the same voltage and rating damage the new cell? If so why? The cells are recharable.
 
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It shouldn't hurt the new cells. They just won't get charged enough which is bad in the long run. But in a discharge the bad cells will easily be reverse charged which should be even more damaging. Generally folks keep all cells in a series string at the same ampere-hour rating and state of charge. That way the end points are reached by the whole string at the same time. That gives the most available ampere-hours with the least unused.
Also old cells tend to self discharge more.
 
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Can OCV test accurately tell the charge level of a cell?

I notice the voltage of my old cells increase slower than my new cells after a load is applied. What does this say about the old cells?

If I have to mix cells, what are some ways to bring them down to the same charge level or get the most life out of them?
 
david90 said:
Can OCV test accurately tell the charge level of a cell?
The only cell that works good on is lithium-ion. Lead acid is not too bad. Nicad and nickel-metal hydride are history dependent. That means either a charge or discharge perturbes the voltage which slowly returns to the normal curve. Heat can make these cells drop voltage which fools a charger into burning them up.

david90 said:
I notice the voltage of my old cells increase slower than my new cells after a load is applied. What does this say about the old cells?
I find that the voltage only decreases when a load is applied.

david90 said:
If I have to mix cells, what are some ways to bring them down to the same charge level or get the most life out of them?
When lead acid cells get old they fall apart. The best thing to do is keep a separate string and prepare to throw them away.
 

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