Learning Trigonometry and Calculus for High School Economics Students

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The discussion revolves around a high school student's experience with a non-traditional math curriculum focused on economics, which lacks trigonometry instruction. The student seeks advice on how to effectively learn trigonometry, calculus, and proof-writing simultaneously, while navigating school policies that limit course options.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the first year of university will cover necessary mathematics, implying that self-study may not be essential unless desired.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of trigonometry for future math courses, noting that it is frequently used in advanced topics like vector calculus and linear algebra.
  • Some participants propose that the student should seek to take additional math courses, such as Intermediate Algebra and Trigonometry, to better prepare for college-level mathematics.
  • There are suggestions for self-study using quality textbooks, with one participant recommending a specific online precalculus course as a structured option.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential gaps in knowledge due to the school's focus on economics-related math, which may not align with traditional math curricula.
  • The student expresses uncertainty about studying English-language textbooks due to differences in curriculum and terminology, raising questions about their suitability for their specific educational context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of learning trigonometry for future studies, but there are differing opinions on the necessity and feasibility of self-study versus formal education. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the student given their unique circumstances.

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Limitations include the student's unique educational background and curriculum differences, which may affect the applicability of suggested resources and methods. There is also uncertainty regarding the compatibility of English-language textbooks with the student's local educational requirements.

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I am in the 3rd grade of high school and we have a very weird math program.Since the school is specialised for economics we don't study trigonometry in the 3rd grade ,instead we learn about interest rates and how to calculate credits etc... Regardless, we have additional lections (which I am attending) where we learn about induction, limits, more on functions and some differential and integral calculus but only general concepts that don't use trig. The thing is that I want study maths at uni, so I study trig at home at my own, and I am really bad at writing proofs (can't do even the simplest ones).So how should I learn trigonometry, introduction to calculus and go through "How to Prove it" (Daniel J. Velleman) at the same time? I think that if I don't do proofs while studying trigonometry I should never learn it properly. And yeah, the school policy forbids dropping classes once they are signed. Anyways, my question is : what to focus on ?
 
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Well the first year of uni is generally just going over mathematics you will need in the future part of the course, so I wouldn't really worry about trying to learn it yourself (unless you actually want to, which is totally fine). Calculus can be tricky when you first start with it, as well as trig, try finding a decent textbook for it- this will be the most important part.
 
First, best of luck to you. Second, if you want to study math at college, knowing trig makes life extremely easier so you cannot go wrong there, it seems that any professor I have had always loved throwing trig questions out to the students, it's something so intrinsic. Therefore, I don't see it going away anytime soon in math, I am taking Vector Calculus, Linear Algebra and Diffys Q and we use trig everyday. Learn it, love, live it!
Proofs come with time, once you have more tools (mathematical knowledge) they will come. I started with easy ones that have been proved over and over, like Pythagoras, then to Law of Cosines (more trig, see!), quadratic formula, area of different shapes then to whatever is relavent to the course, but I am rarely tested at proofs at my level, however it does give you a better understanding of the material, to a point.
Additionally, if you have decent connection to the internet UC Irvine offers a free online precalc course through Coursea if you would like structured study, which can be found here https://www.coursera.org/course/precalculus. From there you can go to the MIT opencourseware program and take more advanced math found here http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/.


Best of luck,
Jonathan
 
Danijel said:
I am in the 3rd grade of high school and we have a very weird math program.Since the school is specialised for economics we don't study trigonometry in the 3rd grade ,instead we learn about interest rates and how to calculate credits etc... Regardless, we have additional lections (which I am attending) where we learn about induction, limits, more on functions and some differential and integral calculus but only general concepts that don't use trig. The thing is that I want study maths at uni, so I study trig at home at my own, and I am really bad at writing proofs (can't do even the simplest ones).So how should I learn trigonometry, introduction to calculus and go through "How to Prove it" (Daniel J. Velleman) at the same time? I think that if I don't do proofs while studying trigonometry I should never learn it properly. And yeah, the school policy forbids dropping classes once they are signed. Anyways, my question is : what to focus on ?
Strange high school for sure. Whoever placed you into your program did not check with you first. Could you visit your assistant principal or principal, and tell the person that you intend to take a college preparatory Mathematics track and you want Intermediate Algebra AND TRIGONOMETRY courses? Imagine that you aim for a science or engineering career and that College Algebra and Trigonometry will be necessary courses along that line. Now, can your school administrator arrange anything for you?
Otherwise, after high school, you will be heading for a community college at which you will be able to go through all the courses in lower level mathematics that you need.
 
"Third year in high school", means you lost a couple of years already. Do a college prep course for Geometry ( 1 year of high school) and then the course of Intermediate Algebra (again 1 year of high school), and then you may be ready for Trigonometry (could be half year but likely combined at high school as "Math Analysis/Pre-Calculus) - but you may have graduated and can no longer do Trig. at high school.
 
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IF you did well in "Algebra 2" also called Intermediate Algebra, you could study Trigonometry on your own, using a good premium textbook, even if it is several years old.
 
symbolipoint said:
"Third year in high school", means you lost a couple of years already. Do a college prep course for Geometry ( 1 year of high school) and then the course of Intermediate Algebra (again 1 year of high school), and then you may be ready for Trigonometry (could be half year but likely combined at high school as "Math Analysis/Pre-Calculus) - but you may have graduated and can no longer do Trig. at high school.

First, thanks for your replies! I actually live in a second world country so the curriculum is very different from that of the west.In the first two years of HS we studied maths the way gymnasiums do it, i.e. we learned algebraic fractions,factoring,potencies, some analysis , geometry, then complex numbers, quadratic equations and quadratic function as well as exponential function and logarithms and basic definitons of trig functions.But this is where we set apart from other gymnasiums and focus mainly on maths that is used in economics(i.e. in the first year of faculty).

I'm just worried about mixing everything up. So far it has been good. I'm studying trig on my own and I can understand most of it but sometimes I have problems with solving certain problems but my teacher and sites like this one help me resolve it. I heard about some good books on trig that are written in english , but english is not my native tongue and I have noticed that our textbooks (and our entrance exams) teach it differenetly and require certain things not included in those books so I'm not sure about studying from them. Which one would you recommend?
 

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