LED 'ON' light across power switch

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around wiring an LED indicator light across the main power to a 12V battery on a boat. Participants explore various methods for connecting the LED, considerations for resistor values, and the implications of LED failure on power continuity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests wiring the LED in parallel with the hot side of the battery wire, indicating it should only be ON when the power switch is on.
  • Another participant disputes the assumption that the LED is 3V, explaining that a typical LED has a forward voltage drop of around 1.7V and requires a current-limiting resistor.
  • Some participants propose using a 800 Ohm resistor in series with the LED to achieve a desired current, while others suggest a more conservative approach with a 1k Ohm resistor.
  • A participant recommends using a 12V incandescent bulb instead of an LED, stating it could be wired in parallel.
  • There are suggestions to purchase an LED with a built-in current limiting resistor for convenience.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of wiring the LED correctly, noting the longer lead typically indicates the positive side.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage and wiring of the LED, with no consensus on the best approach. Some advocate for specific resistor values while others suggest alternative components like incandescent bulbs.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specifications of the LED and the exact wiring configuration. The discussion includes varying opinions on the necessity of a current-limiting resistor and the implications of LED failure.

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Individuals interested in DIY electronics, particularly those working with LED indicators in low-voltage applications, may find this discussion relevant.

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I wish to attach an LED indicator light across the main power to the 12V battery on my boat. This light will let me know from a convenient location whether I've remembered to switch off the main power.

How do I wire it up?

The LED is obviously 3V.
The light would only be ON if the power switch is on.
If the LED fails, I don't want it to kill the power.
Do I simply splice it in parallel with the hot side of the battery wire?
 
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The LED is not "obviously" 3V at all! And this is not how you calculate LED circuits. If it's a vanilla LED without internal resistor, then it has a voltage drop of 1.7 V and the remaining Voltage over the pre-resistor will be used to adjust the current.
I would try a 800Ohms resistor in series with the diode which would give around 15mA with 12 V or a 700Ohms one if it is indeed specified to run directly on 3V. But you would do best to check the specs of the diode to see what currents you can use. If your diode burns then it shouldn't shortcut, but even if it did it will not be a problem.

http://www.theledlight.com/LED101.html
 
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You could also (as I would) just use a small 12V incandescent bulb such as from a car dashboard wired in parallel.
 
0xdeadbeef said:
i would try a 800ohms resistor in series with the diode which would give around 15ma with 12 v

(12 - 1.7) / .015 = 686.7 Ohms.

A more conservative drive level for typical GaAs LEDs (which normally have a 20 mA max forward current) is 10 mA, so use a ~1k resistor.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I wish to attach an LED indicator light across the main power to the 12V battery on my boat. This light will let me know from a convenient location whether I've remembered to switch off the main power.

How do I wire it up?

The LED is obviously 3V.
The light would only be ON if the power switch is on.
If the LED fails, I don't want it to kill the power.
Do I simply splice it in parallel with the hot side of the battery wire?
You could just go to Radio Shack and purchase a http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032293" which has a current limiting resistor built in.
 
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How do I wire it up?


You would wire the resistor in series with the LED (as above) between the cold side of the switch and ground.
When you apply power to the load, you would also apply power to the LED / resistor combination.

LEDs have to be the right way around and usually have one lead longer than the other and this is the positive lead.
 
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vk6kro said:
How do I wire it up?


You would wire the resistor in series with the LED (as above) between the cold side of the switch and ground.
When you apply power to the load, you would also apply power to the LED / resistor combination.
Got it.

I feel embarrassed, having taken basic electronics in night school. Seem to have forgotten much of it.

vk6kro said:
LEDs have to be the right way around and ususally have one lead longer than the other and this is the positive lead.
Yes. This much I knew.


Thank y'all.
 

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