Length Contraction: Measuring a Difference of 55 Nanometers

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The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction in the context of a specific experimental setup involving mirrors and beamsplitters. Participants explore how the rotation of the apparatus affects the perceived lengths of the light paths and the implications for measuring differences in light travel time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that rotating the apparatus results in one arm shortening and the other lengthening due to length contraction, estimating a difference of about 55 nanometers in light paths.
  • Another participant argues that considering the apparatus as moving complicates the analysis, suggesting that length contraction alone does not account for the motion of the mirrors and the light's travel time.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that the experimenters are at rest relative to the apparatus, thus they do not observe length contraction, and questions the relevance of the Earth's speed around the sun without considering other cosmic movements.
  • Another participant reiterates the point about the experimenters being at rest and discusses the implications for testing the constancy of the speed of light in both arms of the apparatus.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the constancy of the speed of light in different frames of reference, noting that the light is 'not aware' of changes in speed or contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of length contraction and the motion of the apparatus. There is no consensus on how these factors influence the measurement of light travel time.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the situation, including the need to consider multiple frames of reference and the implications of relativistic effects on measurements.

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If the table (with the mirrors, beamsplitter, etc.) is rotated 90 degrees, one arm will get shorter (due to lengthcontraction) because its longitudinal speed goes from zero to 30 km/s (our speed around the sun) and the other arm will get longer as its speed goes from 30 km/s to zero. So with a total 'armlength' of 11 meter, the difference in lenghts of the lightpaths will be around 55 nanometer, to be messured as appr. 0,1 wavelength. They messured no differences more than 0,02 wavelength.
If the table (with the mirrors, beamsplitter, etc.) is rotated 90 degrees, one arm will get shorter (due to lengthcontraction) because its longitudinal speed goes from zero to 30 km/s (our speed around the sun) and the other arm will get longer as its speed goes from 30 km/s to zero. So with a total 'armlength' of 11 meter, the difference in lenghts of the lightpaths will be around 55 nanometer, to be messured as appr. 0,1 wavelength. They messured no differences more than 0,02 wavelength.
 
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If you regard the apparatus as moving then light doesn't travel a distance equal to the length of the arm, because the ends of the arm are moving while the light travels along it. If you factor in length contraction of one arm and the motion of the mirrors in both arms then the flight time is the same. Length contraction alone is not enough to analyse this.
 
Foppe Hoekstra said:
If the table (with the mirrors, beamsplitter, etc.) is rotated 90 degrees, one arm will get shorter (due to lengthcontraction) because its longitudinal speed goes from zero to 30 km/s (our speed around the sun) and the other arm will get longer as its speed goes from 30 km/s to zero.
You’ve just described how the lengths of the arms would behave according to an observer who is moving at 30 km/s relative to the apparatus. But the lab and the experimenters are at rest relative to the apparatus, so they find no length contraction - as far as they are concerned nothing is moving. (If you’re still not clear on how you’ve gone wrong here, ask yourself why you’re considering the 30 km/s from the earth’s movement around the sun, but not the additional contributions from the sun’s moving around in the galaxy, the galaxy drifting through the local group, and so forth).

So we have two equal-length arms and we’re testing whether light takes the same amount of time to traverse both arms - if it does the speed of light is the same in both arms and if it does not the speed of light is not the same in both arms.
 
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Nugatory said:
You’ve just described how the lengths of the arms would behave according to an observer who is moving at 30 km/s relative to the apparatus. But the lab and the experimenters are at rest relative to the apparatus, so they find no length contraction - as far as they are concerned nothing is moving. (If you’re still not clear on how you’ve gone wrong here, ask yourself why you’re considering the 30 km/s from the earth’s movement around the sun, but not the additional contributions from the sun’s moving around in the galaxy, the galaxy drifting through the local group, and so forth).

So we have two equal-length arms and we’re testing whether light takes the same amount of time to traverse both arms - if it does the speed of light is the same in both arms and if it does not the speed of light is not the same in both arms.
I see now that I missed the point that in RT c is considered to be constant to every moving frame. So whatever the speed, and the contraction that goes with it, may be, the light (or the situation) is 'not aware' of any chances.
 

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