Length Contraction: Traveling in a Space Ship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction as experienced by an observer traveling in a spaceship at relativistic speeds between two points, A and B. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon on the measurement of distances from different reference frames, including the spaceship's frame and the stationary frame of the planets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the distance between points A and B appears shortened due to length contraction from the perspective of the spaceship.
  • Others argue that if rulers are moving with the spaceship, they will measure the distance the same way as stationary observers do, while rulers anchored to the planets will measure a larger distance.
  • A participant introduces the idea that "actual distance" could refer to the space-time interval between events, which is independent of the coordinate system used.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the concept of "actual distance" is tied to the relativity of simultaneity, emphasizing the need to specify the timing of measurements when discussing distances.
  • One participant challenges the use of the term 'point', asserting that from the spaceship's perspective, points A and B are the same point in space, leading to the conclusion that the spaceship travels zero distance.
  • Another participant states that the perceived distance and actual distance coincide for the pilot, suggesting that all segments of the journey (AC and CB) are also shortened.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the measurement of distance in different frames of reference, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding how distance is defined and measured in different frames, particularly concerning the relativity of simultaneity and the implications of length contraction.

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Suppose I'm traveling inside a spaceship at speed comparable to light between two points A and B. According to me the distance between the two points will be shortened due to length contraction. But actually my spaceship passes through every point between A and B so the distance measured by spaceship (I mean by a device that can measure the distance ) will it be same as what I perceived from inside the spaceship(shorter) or will it show the actual distance travelled?
 
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If the rulers are moving with the spaceship then they will measure the distance between the planets the same as you do. If the rulers are moving with the planets then they will measure a larger distance.
 
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Flying_Dutchman said:
Suppose I'm traveling inside a spaceship at speed comparable to light between two points A and B. According to me the distance between the two points will be shortened due to length contraction. But actually my spaceship passes through every point between A and B so the distance measured by spaceship (I mean by a device that can measure the distance ) will it be same as what I perceived from inside the spaceship(shorter) or will it show the actual distance travelled?
When you say "actual distance", what do you mean?

One possible notion is that the "actual distance" between the event of your leaving planet A and the event of your arriving at planet B is the space-time interval between them. Assuming a ballistic trajectory, this is given by the elapsed time on your watch. This is a good choice since it is independent of coordinate system.

Another possible notion is that "actual distance" is the distance between the some event on the surface of planet A and a corresponding event on planet B at the same time according to a coordinate system anchored to planet A.

Yet another possible notion is that the "actual distance" is the distance between an event on planet A right now and a corresponding event on planet B also right now according to a coordinate system anchored to the seat of your pants.

You may notice that the relativity of simultaneity is tied up intimately in what we mean by "distance". If you want to measure the distance to a moving object, you have to specify when. If you want to measure the distance from a moving object, you have to specify when. If you want to measure the distance between two co-moving objects, you do not need to know when, but you do need to know how much delta there is between the two whens.
 
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Flying_Dutchman said:
Suppose I'm traveling inside a spaceship at speed comparable to light between two points A and B. According to me the distance between the two points will be shortened due to length contraction. But actually my spaceship passes through every point between A and B so the distance measured by spaceship (I mean by a device that can measure the distance ) will it be same as what I perceived from inside the spaceship(shorter) or will it show the actual distance travelled?
I want to comment on the use of the term 'point', which means a location in space. Points A and B are separated in the frame where the ship is moving fast, but from the ship point of view, the ship is stationary and thus points A and B are the same point, else the stationary ship could not be traveling between them. So the events of the beginning and end of the exercise occur at the same point but different times, and the ship will say that it traveled zero distance.

So for example, a fast ship goes to Mars at .99c, which is 694 light seconds away that day, so that takes 700 seconds in the solar system frame. Time is dilated onboard the fast ship, so they clock 100 seconds to make the trip.
From the point of view of the ship, they're stationary, and Mars takes 100 seconds to come to them from the length-contracted 99 light-seconds distance. Mars is not at 'point B' at first since it is moving fast and not arriving at point B (the ship) until time t'=100.
 
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Flying_Dutchman said:
Suppose I'm traveling inside a spaceship at speed comparable to light between two points A and B. According to me the distance between the two points will be shortened due to length contraction. But actually my spaceship passes through every point between A and B so the distance measured by spaceship (I mean by a device that can measure the distance ) will it be same as what I perceived from inside the spaceship(shorter) or will it show the actual distance travelled?

As explained in previous posts.

Perceived inside distance and actual distance for the pilot coincide.

Say C is any point between A and B, AC and CB are shortened as well as AB does.
 

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