Length of curve in Polar coordinate system

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The discussion focuses on calculating the length of a curve in the polar coordinate system. Participants explore the appropriate mathematical formulation for this calculation, comparing it to methods used in rectangular coordinates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the length of the curve can be expressed simply as ∫r(a)da and seeks clarification on its correctness.
  • Another participant suggests that the length can be thought of in terms of an infinitesimal form of the Euclidean distance formula, providing a general expression for length in multiple dimensions.
  • A third participant emphasizes the need to identify the appropriate infinitesimal length segments in polar coordinates, breaking it down into changes in radial position and angular changes.
  • Details are provided on how to derive the proper expression for the infinitesimal length segment ds using the Pythagorean theorem, leading to the formulation ds=√((dr)²+(rdθ)²).
  • It is noted that this formulation can be simplified for the case of a circle, where the radial function is constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial expression ∫r(a)da, with some arguing for its inadequacy while others provide alternative formulations without resolving the disagreement.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of transitioning from rectangular to polar coordinates and the assumptions involved in defining length segments in polar coordinates.

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I want to caculate length of curve in Polar coordinate system like this: if r=r(a)
then length of the curve is ∫r(a)da Is this right? if not ,why ?
What's the right one ?
I konw the way in rectangular coordinate system,I just want to do it in Polar coordinate system .
 
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You can think of it like an infinitesimal form of the Euclidean distance formula. For a function f(t)=\langle x_1(t),x_2(t),x_3(t),\ldots\rangle

\sum_a^b \sqrt { \Delta x_1^2 + \Delta x_2^2+\Delta x_3^2+\ldots } \longrightarrow s=\int_{a}^{b} \sqrt { dx_1^2 + dx_2^2+dx_3^2+\ldots} = \int_{a}^{b} \sqrt { \left(\frac{dx_1}{dt}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{dx_2}{dt}\right)^2+\left(\frac{dx_3}{dt}\right)^2+\ldots}\text{ } dt
 
Is this ∫r(a)da wrong? Why?
 
You need to know what the appropriate infinitesemal length segments are!

Now, if you do polar coordinates, you may decompose a stretch of a curve into two parts:
1. The change in the radial position from the initial point on the curve to the final point.
Infinitesemally, this has length dr.

2. Here's the tricky part: The tiny arc by which the curve segment can be approximated by a circular arc, supported by a tiny angular change between the first point and the final point on the curve.
Clearly, that circular arc lies AT a radius of the value "r", and setting the angular change as d\theta[/tex], we get the expression rd\theta[/tex] for that length segment.<br /> <br /> 3. Now, we apply the Pythogorean theorem to these two length segment to gain the proper curve segment ds:<br /> ds=\sqrt{(dr)^{2}+(rd\theta)^{2}}<br /> <br /> 4. Assuming that the radial position of the point of the curve is describable as a function of the angular variable, we may rewrite this as:<br /> ds=\sqrt{(\frac{dr}{d\theta})^{2}+r^{2}}d\theta<br /> <br /> 5. This is then the proper infinitesemal form of the lengthn segment, and the length s of the curve can then be calculated as:<br /> s=\int_{\theta_{0}}^{\theta_{1}}\sqrt{(\frac{dr}{d\theta})^{2}+r^{2}}d\theta<br /> <br /> 6. Note that in the case of a CIRCLE, where r is a constant function of the angle, this reduces to:<br /> s=\int_{\theta_{0}}^{\theta_{1}}rd\theta<br /> as it should do.
 
Thank you ! Especially you,Arildno.
 

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