Length/Time Period squared Relationship of a Simple Pendulum

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the length/time period squared relationship of a simple pendulum, expressed as g/(2π)². The participants explain the underlying physics, including the force on the pendulum bob, represented by F = -mg sin(θ), and the resulting differential equation for small angles, which simplifies to θ = A₀ sin(ωt + φ) with ω² = g/L. Key parameters such as A₀ and φ are clarified as representing the maximum angle and phase shift, respectively. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding these concepts for high school students beginning calculus.

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I know the L/T^2 relationship of a simple pendulum gives a constant- g/(2pi)^2.
Could anyone please show me how it is derived?
Thanks in advance.
 
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Thinker8921 said:
I know the L/T^2 relationship of a simple pendulum gives a constant- g/(2pi)^2.
Could anyone please show me how it is derived?
Thanks in advance.

The force on the pendulum bob is:

F = -mgsin\theta = ma = mL\ddot\theta

For small angles, sin\theta \approx \theta so you have the differential equation:

\ddot\theta = -\frac{g}{L}\theta the solution of which is:

\theta = A_0\sin(\omega t + \phi) where \omega^2 = g/L with \omega = 2\pi/T

AM
 
Thankyou for the reply. I think I should have been a little clearer. I am in high school and this depth is a little new so I don't understand the whole explanation.
-The theta sign with the 2 dots*, I am thinking it is angular acceleration? That way, mLa will be torque of the pendulum bob.
- I get the differential, however not the next step with the A zero sign and phi sign. What do they represent. Is it (Started calculus a week ago).
Please could you clear my doubts.
Thanks again.
*How do I insert the actual symbols in this?
 
Thinker8921 said:
Thankyou for the reply. I think I should have been a little clearer. I am in high school and this depth is a little new so I don't understand the whole explanation.
Welcome to PF, by the way.
-The theta sign with the 2 dots*, I am thinking it is angular acceleration? That way, mLa will be torque of the pendulum bob.
That's right.
- I get the differential, however not the next step with the A zero sign and phi sign. What do they represent. Is it (Started calculus a week ago).
These are parameters for the initial condition. The A0 (I could have said \theta_0) is the maximum value of \theta, which occurs when the sin term = 1. The \phi is simply to adjust for the phase - ie. when the amplitude maximum occurs in relation to t. For example if amplitude was maximum at t=0, you would set \phi = \pi/2 so that the sin term gave a value of 1 (which is the maximum value for sin).

The idea here is that if you take the second derivative of \theta_0\sin (\omega t + \phi) you get -\omega^2\theta_0\sin (\omega t + \phi), which is simply -\omega^2 x the original function. Generally if the second derivative is -\omega^2 multiplied by the original function, the function must be a some sort of sine wave with frequency \omega. You will learn how to solve this kind of equation when you study differential equations.

*How do I insert the actual symbols in this?
You have to use Latex. See https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997" for help on Latex.

AM
 
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Thanks, this has made it clearer to me.
 

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