Lennard-Jones Work: Calculating Equilibrium Position

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by the Lennard-Jones Law when approximating two atoms from infinity to their equilibrium position. The force is defined by the equation F(r)=F0 [2(σ/r)13-(σ/r)7], and participants are exploring how to determine the equilibrium position and the work associated with this process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the force to calculate work, with some questioning the limits of integration and the definition of equilibrium. There is a focus on understanding the force at the equilibrium position and how to find the distance at which this force is zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and asking clarifying questions. Some have suggested methods to find the equilibrium position, while others are still grappling with the implications of the force being zero at that position.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific value of the equilibrium position, with participants acknowledging a lack of information. The integration limits are noted as extending from negative infinity to the unknown equilibrium position.

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Homework Statement


I need to calculate the work donde by the Lennard-Jones Law, considering:

F(r)=F0 [2(σ/r)13-(σ/r)7]

when approximating two atoms from infinity to the equilibrium position between both atoms

Homework Equations



First thing I don't know how to calculate is the equilibrium position (x0) between two arbitrary atoms

The Attempt at a Solution



I just integrated this force, considering

WAB=∫F⋅dr ; r=A to r=B

As I don't know the x0, I just integrate from A to B, to later analyze the result. Assuming A=-∞ and B=x0

W= ∫ F0 [2(σ/r)13-(σ/r)7] dr ; r=A to r=B
= integrating...
= 2F0σ13 ( r-12 /-12) - F0σ7 (r-6/-6) ; still need to evaluate

Considering that A=-∞, I finally obtain:

W= F0σ7/6 (1/x06)-F0σ13/6(1/x012)

Is it right until here?
 
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What is the force at the equilibrium position. What does "equilibrium" mean?
What are your limits of integration? Consider particle A already at the origin. Then calculate the work done by the force on particle B as it is brought from infinity to x0.
 
kuruman said:
What is the force at the equilibrium position. What does "equilibrium" mean?
What are your limits of integration? Consider particle A already at the origin. Then calculate the work done by the force on particle B as it is brought from infinity to x0.
The statement of this problems is:

In diatomic molecules, the constituent atoms exert attractive forces between themselves at great distances and repulsive forces at short distances. For many molecules the Lennard-Jones law is a good approximation for the modulus of these forces.

$$ F(r)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r})^7] $$

where r is the distance between the center of the nucleus of the atoms, ## \sigma ## a length parameter and ## F_0 ## a constant.

Determine the work to be performed by this force or by an external agent to approximate two atoms from infinity to the position of balance between the two.
- So, what I mean to equilibrium position is the position of balance between the two atoms, but there is no more information about that.

- The limits of integration, as I don't know the position of balance, are ## A=-\infty ## to ## B=x_0 ## (the so called position of balance).

- Didn't catch up the last advice
 
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Nacho Verdugo said:
So, what I mean to equilibrium position is the position of balance between the two atoms, but there is no more information about that.
How big is the force on molecule A when it is at equilibrium or, as you say, in balance with molecule B?
 
kuruman said:
How big is the force on molecule A when it is at equilibrium or, as you say, in balance with molecule B?

I guess it is zero right? I that way it is in equilibrium.
 
Exactly. So at what inter-molecular distance r0 is the force zero?
 
kuruman said:
Exactly. So at what inter-molecular distance r0 is the force zero?

I don't know :C I took a while to answer cause of that. I think it should be at a huge distance, right?
 
It is simpler than you think. The force in general is
$$F(r)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r})^7]$$
At r = r0 you have
$$0=F(r_0)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r_0})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r_0})^7]$$
Do you see what you have to do?
 
kuruman said:
It is simpler than you think. The force in general is
$$F(r)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r})^7]$$
At r = r0 you have
$$0=F(r_0)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r_0})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r_0})^7]$$
Do you see what you have to do?
yes! with $$F(r_0)=0$$ I can actually find $$r_0$$ and later evaluate that value in the integral.
 
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Go for it! :smile:
 
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kuruman said:
Go for it! :smile:
thank you very much!:biggrin:
 
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Nacho Verdugo said:
yes! with $$F(r_0)=0$$ I can actually find $$r_0$$ and later evaluate that value in the integral.
 
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Nacho Verdugo said:
The statement of this problems is:

In diatomic molecules, the constituent atoms exert attractive forces between themselves at great distances and repulsive forces at short distances. For many molecules the Lennard-Jones law is a good approximation for the modulus of these forces.

$$ F(r)=F_0 \cdot [2(\frac{\sigma}{r})^{13}-(\frac{\sigma}{r})^7] $$

where r is the distance between the center of the nucleus of the atoms, ## \sigma ## a length parameter and ## F_0 ## a constant.

Determine the work to be performed by this force or by an external agent to approximate two atoms from infinity to the position of balance between the two.
- So, what I mean to equilibrium position is the position of balance between the two atoms, but there is no more information about that.

- The limits of integration, as I don't know the position of balance, are ## A=-\infty ## to ## B=x_0 ## (the so called position of balance).

- Didn't catch up the last advice
 
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Is there a question you wish to ask?
 
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kuruman said:
Is there a question you wish to ask?
No thanks! I just made a mistake editing this.
 

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