Lens with different refraction index on each side

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The discussion revolves around a lens problem involving different indices of refraction on each side. Participants are attempting to apply the lens formula and clarify their understanding of the variables involved, particularly in the context of a virtual image as perceived by an observer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are discussing the application of the lens formula, questioning the placement of indices of refraction, and verifying calculations related to the virtual image's position. There is a focus on understanding the correct use of the formula and the implications of sign conventions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formula's correctness and the need to clarify sign conventions. There is an acknowledgment of calculation errors, but no consensus has been reached on the final outcome.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings related to the indices of refraction and the assumptions underlying the lens formula. There is mention of specific values and calculations that may not align with expected results, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
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1/p+1/q=-2/R
So I am not really familiar with lens questions when there's 2 different refraction indexes. I tried using n1/p+n2/q=-(n2-n1)/R but it doesn't seem to work.

p would be the actual location of the fly and q would be the virtual location, what the fish sees if I am understanding correctly. n1 would be the index of refraction where the fly is and n2 where the virtual image is?

So 1/60+1.3/q=-1.3/64. q=-35.155

So the image is 35.155 cm above the water. But this is wrong, the answer is 60.88 cm
 

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JoeyBob said:
n1/p+n2/q=-(n2-n1)/R

So 1/60+1.3/q=-1.3/64
The 1.3 on the right side is not correct.
 
TSny said:
The 1.3 on the right side is not correct.
The rest is correct then?

Shouldn't it be on top according to the formula?
 
The rest is correct.

JoeyBob said:
Shouldn't it be on top according to the formula?
I'm not sure what you are asking here.
 
n1/p+n2/q=-(n2-n1)/R

is this formula incorrect here?
 
The formula looks correct, although I’m not sure what sign conventions you are using for R, etc.

You made a mistake in calculating ##n_2-n_1##.
 
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TSny said:
The formula looks correct, although I’m not sure what sign conventions you are using for R, etc.

You made a mistake in calculating ##n_2-n_1##.
ya I am dumb. 1.3-1 isn't the same as 1.3-0. I get q = -60.88 when I use 0.3, so 60.88 above the water.

Thanks.
 
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JoeyBob said:
ya I am dumb.
Not at all. We all make slips like this :oldsmile:

1.3-1 isn't the same as 1.3-0. I get q = -60.88 when I use 0.3, so 60.88 above the water.
Thanks.
Looks good.
 

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