L'Hospital's Rule for Limit of x^a ln(x) as x Approaches 0 (a>0)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression \( x^a \ln(x) \) as \( x \) approaches 0, specifically using L'Hospital's Rule. The context involves understanding the behavior of this limit when \( a > 0 \).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss transforming the limit to apply L'Hospital's Rule, with suggestions to rewrite the limit in a fraction form. There are questions about the implications of the condition \( a > 0 \) and how it affects the limit. Some participants explore alternative substitutions, such as \( x = \ln(t) \), to analyze the limit further.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various transformations and substitutions to approach the limit. There is recognition of the need for algebraic simplification and the exploration of connections between different forms of the limit. While some guidance has been provided, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limit should be considered as \( x \) approaches \( 0^+ \). There is also mention of potential typographical errors in the expressions being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Use L'Hospitals rule to show that lim x->0 x^a ln(x) = 0

I don't know how to solve this. I guess the first thing to do is to transform it in some way so that one can use L'Hospitals rule, but I don't know how.

Thank you!

EDIT: a>0

It's not a differential equation as the headline says, my bad.
 
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fxo said:

Homework Statement



Use L'Hospitals rule to show that lim_{x\rightarrow 0} x^a ln(x) = 0

I don't know how to solve this. I guess the first thing to do is to transform it in some way so that one can use L'Hospitals rule, but I don't know how.

Thank you!

Is there something else you haven't told us? Like ##a>0##? Write it like this:$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac {\ln x}{\frac 1 {x^a}}$$
 
LCKurtz said:
Is there something else you haven't told us? Like ##a>0##? Write it like this:$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac {\ln x}{\frac 1 {x^a}}$$

Oh sorry you're right I totally missed that a>0. I get it then.

Can I ask a follow-up question based on this one?

By setting x=ln(t) in the equation above(the one I asked for help on first) show that:

$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow -∞} |x|^a e^x = 0$$

This one really bugs my mind I just don't get it.
 
fxo said:
Oh sorry you're right I totally missed that a>0. I get it then.

Can I ask a follow-up question based on this one?

By setting x=ln(t) in the equation above(the one I asked for help on first) show that:

$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow -∞} |x|^a e^x = 0$$

This one really bugs my mind I just don't get it.

You should note that in the original limit, it is really ##x\rightarrow 0^+##. What happens if you substitute ##x=\ln t## in the original problem?
 
$$
\lim_{ln(t)\rightarrow 0}\frac {\ln (ln(t))}{\frac 1 {ln(t)^a}}$$

So I get $$
ln(ln(t))ln^a(t)$$

But that expression don't tell me much all I know is that it's root should be e.
 
Woops, I didn't mean that. I meant to try ##t=\ln x## which is ##x=e^t##. I expect that is a typo in your text.
 
LCKurtz said:
Woops, I didn't mean that. I meant to try ##t=\ln x## which is ##x=e^t##. I expect that is a typo in your text.

##\lim_{e^t\rightarrow 0}\frac {\ln (e^t}{\frac 1 {e^t^a}}##

I don't really get it what's the connection to the new limit, do they want me to change the e^x to x=ln(t) and get |x|^a * t instead?
 
fxo said:
##\lim_{e^t\rightarrow 0}\frac {\ln (e^t)}{\frac 1 {(e^t)^a}}##

C'mon, do the algebra simplification. And express it as$$
\lim_{t\rightarrow\, ?}...$$Then you might see a connection to your new problem.
 
LCKurtz said:
C'mon, do the algebra simplification. And express it as$$
\lim_{t\rightarrow\, ?}...$$Then you might see a connection to your new problem.

By setting ##x=e^t## in the first one I got$$
\lim_{t\rightarrow\, 0} te^t^a $$
I'm starting to see that it's close to the form in b but not exactly, should I use L'Hospitals rule from here to show that as this goes to infinity the limit goes to zero?
 
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fxo said:
By setting ##x=e^t## in the first one I got


$$
\lim_{t\rightarrow\, 0} te^t^a $$
I'm starting to see that it's close to the form in b but not exactly, should I use L'Hospitals rule from here to show that as this goes to infinity the limit goes to zero?

Tex won't accept e^t^a with no parentheses. Anyway, do you consider that to be simplified? It is more properly written ##(e^t)^a##, but still not simplified until you write it as ##e^{at}##. And you have ##t\rightarrow 0##. If ##x=e^t## and ##x\rightarrow 0^+##, does ##t\rightarrow 0##? What should it be?

That being said, you are correct that you can massage it into ##|x|e^x## form but it still isn't in the ##|x|^ae^x## form requested. So I'm afraid my suggestion to correct what I think is a misprint isn't going to finish it. To tell the truth, I don't see why your author wants you to do it that way anyway. It is easy to work it directly. Letting ##x = -t## we have$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow {-\infty}}|x|^ae^x=\lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}t^ae^{-t}
=\lim_{t\rightarrow \infty}\frac{t^a}{e^{t}}$$which you can now do with repeating L'Hospitals rule until the exponent on ##t## goes negative.
 

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