Lie vs Covariant Derivative: Intuitive Understanding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the intuitive understanding of the differences between the Lie derivative and the covariant derivative in the context of differential geometry. Participants explore the definitions and implications of both concepts, seeking clarity on their distinct roles and applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the covariant derivative relies on a connection, while the Lie derivative does not.
  • One participant describes the Lie derivative as a measure of how compatible the flows of vector fields are, emphasizing its role as a dynamical invariant.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the computation of the Lie derivative, involving the flows generated by vector fields and their commutation.
  • Another participant points out that the covariant derivative operates similarly to the Lie derivative but involves parallel transport instead of the flows of vector fields.
  • There is a recognition that the explanation of the covariant derivative may involve circular reasoning, as it typically requires the specific covariant derivative to define parallel transport.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express different aspects of understanding the two derivatives without resolving the complexities or nuances involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential circularity in the explanation of the covariant derivative, indicating a limitation in fully articulating its relationship with parallel transport without assuming prior knowledge of specific connections.

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Loosely speaking or Intuitively how should one understand the difference between Lie Derivative and Covariant derivative? Definitions for both sounds awfully similar...
 
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The covariant derivative uses a connection, while the Lie derivative doesn't.
 
Just to spotlight one of these: The Lie derivative L_X(Y) is basically a dynamical invariant. It measures how compatible the flows of the vector fields are, i.e. how much they commute with each other. If X is generated by the flow \phi_t and Y is generated by \psi_s, then the Lie derivative [X,Y] at point P is the tangent vector at time 0 of the curve given by: t \mapsto \psi_{-t} \circ \phi_{-t} \circ \psi_t \circ \phi_t (P).

Berger describes this as moving P forward in time along the X-curves by t, then moving along the Y-curve by t, then moving backward in time along the X-curve and finally moving backward in time along the Y-curve. If you've ended up back at P, then [X,Y]=0 at P.

In particular, if \phi_s \circ \psi_t=\psi_t \circ \phi_s for all s and t, then [X,Y]=0.

The covariant derivative acts similarly except instead of pushing Y along the X-curves via X's flow, we are pushing Y along X-curve via parallel transport. This explanation, though, is a bit of circular logic, since one usually uses the specific covariant derivative to generate the parallel transport.
 
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