Liebniz Notation: When to Treat as Fraction?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of Leibniz notation, specifically the expression dx/dy, in the context of derivatives. Participants explore whether it is mathematically sound to treat this notation as a fraction and under what circumstances this might be appropriate.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of treating derivatives as fractions, referencing differential forms and the limit definition of derivatives. Questions arise regarding the validity of this approach and the conditions under which it holds true.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of derivatives and their fractional properties. Some guidance is offered regarding the treatment of derivatives, but multiple interpretations and nuances are being explored without a clear consensus.

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There is mention of the behavior of partial derivatives and the potential pitfalls of applying common fraction arithmetic to derivatives, indicating a need for careful consideration of the underlying mathematical principles.

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In many physics books I have seen the treatment of dx/dy as a fraction dx over dy. For example, if you have an expression for dx and an expression for dy then you just put dx in the numerator and dy in the denominator to get the derivative. THis is also done in the separation of variables technique.

I have heard that this is not mathematically sound. Is there a rule for when you can treat Liebniz notation like fractions?


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The "Liebniz form" for a derivative: dy/dx is NOT a fraction but it can always be treated like one. The derivative is a limit of a fraction. To prove that any "fraction property" works for a derivative, go back before the liimit, use the fraction property, then take the limit.

That's why the notion of "differentials", defining "dy" and "dx", if only symbolically, that Gokul43201 was referring to, is so powerful.
 
Remember, though, that the derivative is NOT in general a fraction; this is highlighted by the behaviour of partial derivatives:

let F(x,y) be a differentiable function; x=X(y).

Thereby, we have:
\frac{dF}{dy}=\frac{\partial{F}}{\partial{x}}\frac{dX}{dy}+\frac{\partial{F}}{\partial{y}}

Here, the relationships between the pseudo-fractions is NOT that which might be "predicted" by common fraction arithmetic.
 

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