Light inextensible string problem

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The problem involves two particles of different masses connected by a light inextensible string, with one particle moving in a horizontal circle while the other remains stationary. The objective is to determine the speed of the moving particle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tensions in the string, with some confirming that tensions are equal due to the absence of friction. Questions are raised about how to find the angular speed and the implications of the forces acting on the particles.

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There is ongoing exploration of the forces involved, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach finding the angular speed. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being discussed, particularly regarding the forces acting on the particles.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the masses involved and the implications of the diagram presented. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the concept of angular speed.

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Homework Statement



Two particles of masses m and 2m are connected by a light inextensible string, which is
threaded through a fixed smooth ring. If the lighter particle moves uniformly round a
horizontal circle of radius a, while the other particle remains stationary, find the lighter
particle's speed.

Homework Equations



accel = aw^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my diagram of the problem, I would appreciate it if someone could tell me if this is correct. p is the angle between the 2 ends of string.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7560/question3diagram122lo7.jpg

Particle is moving uniformly with constant angular speed, w.

T2 - 2mg = 0 by resolving.

So T2 = 2mg.

T1 cos p = mg by resolving.

Using F = m(accel), F = T1 sin p, accel = aw^2

T1 sin p = maw^2

Question 1. Are the tensions equal because if they werent, the string would break?
Question 2. Have I now got to go on and find w? How?

Thanks in advance.
 
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mattgad said:
Question 1. Are the tensions equal because if they werent, the string would break?
Yes, the tensions are equal. There's no friction from the ring.

Question 2. Have I now got to go on and find w? How?
Using the vertical force equation you can solve for the angle. Then use it in the horizontal force equation to solve for \omega or v.

a_c = r\omega^2 = v^2/r
 
mattgad said:
Particle is moving uniformly with constant angular speed, w.

T2 - 2mg = 0 by resolving.

So T2 = 2mg.

The tension is the same throughout the string, since there is no friction involved anywhere and the string is massless.

For the static mass, T=2mg.

For the revolving mass, Tcosp=mg and Tsinp=centripetal force, as you have written.

Now you can find v.

(EDIT: Overlooked 2mg in the diagram. Mistake pointed out by Doc Al.)
 
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mattgad said:
T2 - 2mg = 0 by resolving.

So T2 = 2mg.
This is perfectly correct.
 
Doc Al said:
This is perfectly correct.

So it is. I thought the static mass was also m; overlooked the 2mg in the diagram...Thanks Doc!
 
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Thanks for your replies guys.

I end up with v = root(a*g*root(3)).
 
Looks good!
 
So that's all there is to it? For some reason I thought it would be much more complex than this. My knowledge of physics/mechanics is very very limited. I'm actually not sure I even understand the concept of angular speed.
 

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