Light Speed: Can Einstein's Theory Explain It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the speed of light, specifically its measurement, implications in physics, and how it relates to Einstein's theory of relativity. Participants explore various aspects of light's speed, including classical and quantum perspectives, and the underlying physics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how light can travel at approximately 3 * 10^8 m/s and seek clarification on this phenomenon.
  • Others assert that the speed of light is a fundamental constant in physics, measured numerous times, and is derived from Maxwell's equations.
  • One participant mentions that light's speed can be expressed in terms of other fundamental constants associated with electromagnetism, referencing Einstein's assertion that it is a universal speed limit.
  • A participant attempts to explain light's speed through an analogy involving massless photons and energy, though this analogy is challenged by others for being misleading.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of light, with some suggesting that understanding light as an electromagnetic wave may be more beneficial before delving into quantum mechanics.
  • Concerns are raised about the oversimplification of light production and the analogy of imparting speed to photons, which are said to inherently travel at the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanations for the speed of light, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of physics principles, and there are unresolved nuances regarding the classical versus quantum descriptions of light. The discussion also highlights the complexity of explaining light's behavior without oversimplifying or misrepresenting its properties.

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all objects travel at a speed .when we come to light , the speed is approximately 3 * 108 . i am confused about how can it travel with such a speed . i have surfed in the internet but it only says that it is not yet proved . i wish to know the answer . this could help me to study optics more perfectly . did Einstein prove in the theory of relativity.
 
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The speed of light has been measured numerous times and the speed measured is approx. 3*10^8 m/s. The speed of light in a vacuum is a fundamental constant in physics. The rest of your ramble makes no sense.
 
SteamKing said:
The speed of light has been measured numerous times and the speed measured is approx. 3*10^8 m/s. The speed of light in a vacuum is a fundamental constant in physics. The rest of your ramble makes no sense.

i agree to it .but, there should be a reason for light to travel in such a speed . you just gave me a reason which i know.
 
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It was Maxwell who demonstrated that EM waves travel at the speed of light, which can be expressed as a combination of other fundamental constants associated with electromagnetism (Einstein demonstrated that the speed of light is a universal speed limit).

We know the value of these fundamental constants from observation - by determining the force between two charges etc.

Claude.

Edit: beaten by Dale!
 
rshreyas said:
all objects travel at a speed .
This is not true- at least not in the since that you mean when talking about light. A specific automobile, at a specific time, is traveling "at a speed". Different automobiles, or that same automobile at different times, may travel at different speeds. But all light, at all times, in vacuum, travels at "c".

when we come to light , the speed is approximately 3 * 108 . i am confused about how can it travel with such a speed . i have surfed in the internet but it only says that it is not yet proved . i wish to know the answer . this could help me to study optics more perfectly . did Einstein prove in the theory of relativity.
 
I confused about what you're confused about. What is the question? Light travels at a certain speed. That speed has been measured to be about 3 * 10^8 m/s. What don't you understand?
 
From the FAQ section of our relativity forum:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=511385
 
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quawa99 said:
This is just an intutive idea:you know light is produced from various sources like light bulbs, candles etc. Basically light is produced due to de-exitation of the electrons in the material i.e the heated filament in a bulb loses that heat energy in the from of light.Now light consists of particles called photons which have a zero mass so even if we give very little energy to it light can go very fast.imagine you hit a bowling ball with a bat and a cricket ball with the same force ,you can notice that the cricket ball will go very fast in a similar way light has zero mass so if u hit a photon with the same force it will go superfast .(This is not a perfect answer and I know it may not be correct to say to hit a photon with a bat but like i said i just wanted to give an intutive idea)

Subatomic particles in general and photons in particular do not behave like cricket balls or bowling balls; the word "particle" in in this context means something very different from the standard non-technical usage.

If you want to understand the behavior of light, your best bet may be to try to forget that you ever heard the word "photon", and work your way through the classical model of light as an electromagnetic wave instead. You can go back to thinking about photons when you're ready to move beyond classical physics and take on quantum mechanics.
 
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quawa99 said:
This is just an intutive idea:you know light is produced from various sources like light bulbs, candles etc. Basically light is produced due to de-exitation of the electrons in the material i.e the heated filament in a bulb loses that heat energy in the from of light.Now light consists of particles called photons which have a zero mass so even if we give very little energy to it light can go very fast.imagine you hit a bowling ball with a bat and a cricket ball with the same force ,you can notice that the cricket ball will go very fast in a similar way light has zero mass so if u hit a photon with the same force it will go superfast .(This is not a perfect answer and I know it may not be correct to say to hit a photon with a bat but like i said i just wanted to give an intutive idea)

There is something misleading here. It gives the impression the ALL light is produced by some "de excitation of electrons" which is incorrect. I can take a bunch of electrons, and jiggle it up and down, and voila! I have light! This crude description is how we get the EM radiation from synchrotron light sources, and how we generate radio waves and microwaves.

And the analogy with hitting a ball is very puzzling. This is because it requires the bat to impart energy and momentum (speed) to the object. This is not true with light since the photons are born at c.

Zz.
 

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