Light's Ability to Move Matter: Explained

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The discussion centers around the question of whether light can move matter, exploring the concepts of momentum, energy, and the interaction of light with physical objects. It includes theoretical perspectives from both classical and relativistic physics, as well as quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that light can move matter due to its momentum, particularly through the mechanism of radiation pressure.
  • One participant questions the concept of light possessing momentum, arguing that since light has no mass, it should not be able to interact with matter.
  • Another participant explains the relativistic relationship between energy and momentum, stating that for photons, which have zero mass, the energy-momentum relationship simplifies to \(E = pc\), indicating that photons must have momentum.
  • A later reply discusses the de Broglie relationships, which relate the momentum of a photon to its wavelength, suggesting that this relationship is applicable to all particles.
  • Additionally, it is noted that classical electrodynamics describes electromagnetic waves as carrying energy and momentum, reinforcing the idea that light can exert force on surfaces it interacts with.
  • One participant emphasizes the classical electromagnetic calculations that show how a beam of light can exert a force on a reflecting surface, correlating the force to the momentum change of photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light's momentum and its ability to interact with matter. While some agree on the principles of momentum in the context of light, others challenge the foundational assumptions about mass and momentum, leaving the discussion unresolved.

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The discussion involves complex relationships between energy, momentum, and mass, with references to both classical and relativistic frameworks. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of momentum in the context of massless particles and the implications of these interpretations for understanding light's interaction with matter.

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can light move matter?
 
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Light possesses momentum, so in that sense it can certainly move matter in the form of radiation pressure. Was there anything in particular you were looking for?
 
But it doesn't have any mass to posses momentum,then how can it iteract with matter?
 
In non-relativistic mechanics, we learn that momentum is given by ##p = mv##, but in relativity it comes out that the relationship is actually $$E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2$$ where ##c## is the speed of light and ##E## is the energy. For a photon, ##m = 0##, which gives us $$E = pc$$ And we know that photons have energy, so they must necessarily have momentum.

Additionally, as you would learn in introductory quantum mechanics, the de Broglie relationships state that the momentum of a photon is given by $$p = \frac{h}{\lambda}$$ where ##\lambda## is the photon's wavelength and ##h## is called the Plank constant. (This relationship actually turns out to be true for all particles, but that's another story.)

Note that I'm simply stating facts here, I haven't actually explained anything properly. There's a lot of physics that really contextualizes these relationships, but the basic point is that the notion of momentum just being the product of mass and velocity isn't really satisfactory.
 
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Also, even in classical electrodynamics, in which concept of "photon" does not appear at all, electromagnetic waves carry energy and momentum which are related by (surprise!) E = pc.
 
jtbell said:
Also, even in classical electrodynamics, in which concept of "photon" does not appear at all, electromagnetic waves carry energy and momentum which are related by (surprise!) E = pc.

Yes. If you do all the classical EM calculations for what happens when a beam of light falls on a reflecting surface, there is a resulting force on that surface which corresponds exactly to the rate of change of momentum of the equivalent rate of photons bouncing off it. Things like that are really refreshing, imo.
 

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