Hey guys, My cousin came over and was talking about his geometry class and it got me to derive 2*Pi*r and Pi*r^2 using polygons of n sides as n goes to infinity. For the area I ended up using a taylor expansion of sin to weasel myself out of a 0 times infinity, but this is not being very nice. I have tried three iteration of L'Hopital and ended up with a tangent, with more trig functions to come from further iterations I think. The limit converges nicely, pretty quickly too, but I dont want to use numerical methods. I tried a binomial expansion but ended up with a long list of 0*inf. terms there. Any ideas?