Limit of an integral is from a to a does it always equal to zero?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals, specifically questioning whether the limit of an integral from a to a always equals zero. Participants explore this concept through examples, particularly focusing on the integral of the function e^(-x^2) from 0 to infinity and the implications of variable changes in integration.

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  • Some participants assert that for any integrable function f, the integral from a to a is zero.
  • One participant presents a method to evaluate the integral of e^(-x^2) from 0 to infinity, suggesting that it leads to a conclusion of zero, despite the function being above the x-axis.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the variable change used in the integration process, pointing out that the term 1/x^2 in the integrand is not integrable near 0.
  • Concerns are raised about the proper handling of variable changes in integrals, particularly when the new variable is not defined at all points of the original interval.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of splitting integrals when changing variables to ensure proper evaluation and avoid undefined expressions.
  • One participant references WolframAlpha, suggesting it indicates the integral diverges to infinity, which adds to the confusion regarding the evaluation of the integral.

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There is no consensus on the evaluation of the integral of e^(-x^2) from 0 to infinity, with some participants asserting it equals zero while others argue it diverges. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of variable changes in integration.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the handling of variable changes, particularly when the new variable is undefined at certain points in the interval. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the evaluation of integrals involving improper limits.

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∫f(x).dx from a(lower limit) to a(upper limit) =0
Is this always true
 
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Yes, for any integrable function f, \int_a^a f(t)dt= 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, for any integrable function f, \int_a^a f(t)dt= 0.

I have a question which has really let me think about this. Let me present it.
i want to integrate e-x^2 from 0 to infinity. let me say it I.
How i did it.
(You need a copy pen so that you can write it mathematically.)
step 1 replace x by -x
limits will change from -infinity to zero. rest of the function inside integral will remain same.
step 2 now add I you obtain in step 2 with I in original question.
Now it's function is same but limit is from -infinity to infinity and it is equal to 2I
now replace x by 1/x. limits will from zero to zero.
No matter what the function inside the integral. Now it should zero(i mean I).
so finally i came to know that I=0.
It's really confusing result because if we draw rough curve of e-x^2 then we will find that it is always above the x axis. so how it's integral can be zero since definite integral denote geometrical area under under the curve.
 
when you replace x by 1/x, you have a term 1/x2 in the integrand, which is not integrable near 0. Furthermore the limits are not [0,0] but [0,∞] and [-∞,0].
 
why not you replying guys. who is wrong here?
I think wolframalpha try to say it is infinity
 
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vkash said:
why not you replying guys. who is wrong here?
I think wolframalpha try to say it is infinity

The problem is that when you make a change of variables in an integral, the new variable has to be defined on every point of the interval of the old variable. If you have an integral on the interval t \in (-\infty,\infty), you cannot simply make the change x = 1/t, because the new variable x is not defined when t = 0, which exists on that interval. Hence, you must split the integral up first, before you can make that change of variables:

\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dt~f(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{0} dt~f(t) + \int_{0}^{\infty} dt~f(t).

If you change variables now to t=1/x, you still have to be careful, because in the first term (from -infinity to 0), the variable is negative, whereas it is positive in the second term. If you just haphazardly let t = 1/x, then in the first integral you might mistakenly think the upper zero is +infinity, when really it should be -Infinity. You need to account for this, and this is what mathman was telling you. So, after letting t = 1/x, the integrals are really

-\int_{0}^{-\infty} dx~\frac{f(1/x)}{x^2} - \int_{\infty}^{0} dx~\frac{f(1/x)}{x^2} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \frac{dx}{x^2}~f(1/x).

Wolframalpha will confirm that

\int_{-\infty}^\infty dx~\frac{\exp(-1/x^2)}{x^2} = \sqrt{\pi} = \int_{-\infty}^\infty dt~\exp(-t^2).

Any time your change of variables is undefined or multivalued on the interval of the original variable, you need to be careful. Consider the following integral as an example:

\int_{-a}^a dx~x^2.

You know the result is just (2/3)a^3, but suppose you changed variables to t = x^2, giving dt = 2x dx = 2\sqrt{t}dx. If you blindly apply this change of variables you might think you get

\frac{1}{2}\int_{a^2}^{a^2} dt~\sqrt{t} = 0.
The problem, of course, is that the change of variable is different on the [-a,0] and [0,a] intervals. On the negative interval, you need to select the negative root, x = -t1/2, while on the positive interval you need to select the positive root, x = +t1/2. Up above, I 'mistakenly' used the positive root on both intervals. If I am careful, this integral is really

-\frac{1}{2}\int_{a^2}^0 dt~\sqrt{t} + \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{a^2} dt~\sqrt{t} = \int_0^{a^2} dt~\sqrt{t} = \frac{2}{3}(a^2)^{3/2} = (2/3)a^3,
as expected.
 
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