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Limit of x as it approaches a variable

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  1. Sep 7, 2016 #1
    1. Problem statment

    Q. Use limit to find the instantaneous velocity at time t if the postition is p(t) at time t.

    p(t) = t + (1/t) at x = t

    2. Relevant equations

    (Sorry dashes are in there to keep everything where it should be. I don't know how to make fractions in this and it was deleting spaces.)


    lim------f ( x+h ) - f (x)
    x->0 ---_____________ (instantaneous velocity)
    ------------------h



    3. The attempt at a solution


    (Sorry dashes are in there to keep everything where it should be. I don't know how to make fractions in this and it was deleting spaces.)


    -First I plugged in t
    lim------f ( t+h ) - f (t)
    x->0---_____________
    ----------------h

    -Then I plugged in what the equation gives you when you plug those in


    lim------[( t + h ) + (1 / ( t + h )] - [ t + ( 1 / t) ]
    x->0---______________________________
    --------------------------------h
    -simplified it


    lim-----t + h + ( 1 / t ) + ( 1 / h ) - t + ( 1 / t )--------lim-----h + ( 1 / h )
    x->0 -_____________________________ = x->0---___________
    -------------------------h-----------------------------------------------------h
    - so then to get the fraction out of the numerator i multiplied numerator and denominator by h/h giving me

    lim----h^2 + 1
    x->0 -_______
    -----------h^2
    -this is where im stuck. I'm pretty sure I cant stop here because if I plug in zero then I get DNE. But I'm also not sure if I messed up somewhere or just dont know something
     
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  3. Sep 7, 2016 #2

    RUber

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    I think you might have the wrong definition...
    You are finding the instantaneous velocity, which is defined as:
    ##\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(t+h) - f(t)}{h}##
    This should make sense, if you recall simple position functions like p(t) = t would have a constant velocity of 1:
    ##\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{t+h - t}{h} = \frac{h}{h} = 1.##
     
  4. Sep 7, 2016 #3
    This is a few of the problems we worked in class. Via the examples I thought the goal was to make it so that you could solve for h and have it be anything but DNE
    https://learn.unt.edu/bbcswebdav/pid-3914721-dt-content-rid-51752337_1/xid-51752337_1 [Broken]
    https://learn.unt.edu/bbcswebdav/pid-3914722-dt-content-rid-51752338_1/xid-51752338_1 [Broken]
     
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  5. Sep 7, 2016 #4
    oh it deleted the pictures
     
  6. Sep 7, 2016 #5
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  8. Sep 7, 2016 #7

    Stephen Tashi

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    It looks to me like you are using the incorrect algebra ##\frac{1}{t + h} = \frac{1}{t} + \frac{1}{h} ##. That's not valid. Common denominator - remember ?
     
  9. Sep 7, 2016 #8

    RUber

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    In your original work, you assumed that x went to zero, or equivalently that t went to zero. What you should be doing is assuming that the difference between time 1 and time 2 go to zero for any time 1 = t and time 2 = t+h.
    When you set this up, you should get a form that looks like
    ##\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{ t +h + \frac{1}{t+h} - t - \frac1t}{h} ##
    Then use appropriate algebra to simplify.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2016 #9
    Ok so I can take the t's out because they subtract from each other to 0. Then can i just take the h's out because they simplify and my answer is just
    1/ (t + h) - (1/t)?
     
  11. Sep 8, 2016 #10

    RUber

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    No, that's not proper algebra.
    t-t = 0, that step is good. Taking out the h's doesn't take them all into account.
    ##\frac{h + \frac{1}{t+h} - \frac1t}{h}##
    You can break apart the fraction to:
    ##\frac{h}{h} +\frac{ \frac{1}{t+h} - \frac1t}{h}##
    The first fraction should be simple to reduce. The second one requires you to combine the fractions in the numerator. How do you add or subtract fractions with different denominators?
    ##\frac{1}{t+h} - \frac1t = ???##
    Take your time and work through it.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2016 #11

    RUber

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    @Wyatt, Have you made any progress on this problem?
     
  13. Sep 9, 2016 #12
    Yes sorry. h/h =1
    Then 1 / ( t+h ) - 1 / t = [t / t(t+h)] -[ ( t+h) / t ( t +h) ]
    simplified it becomes: h / t^2+h
    simplifying the whole problem it become t^2+h
    then when h is approaching 0 the answer is t^2
     
  14. Sep 9, 2016 #13

    Mark44

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    This might be right, but it's not the whole problem, so you're not done.

    This is the limit you're trying to evaluate: ##\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{ t +h + \frac{1}{t+h} - t - \frac1t}{h} ## (from RUber's work in post #8)
     
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