Limit Theorem: Solving \lim_{n \to \infty} \cos( \frac{2 \pi}{2n - 2} )^n = 1

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The discussion centers around evaluating the limit \(\lim_{n \to \infty} \cos( \frac{2 \pi}{2n - 2} )^n\). Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate this limit, debating the need for rigorous proofs versus informal reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the limit can be informally concluded as 1 based on the fact that \(\cos(0) = 1\) and \(1^\infty = 1\).
  • Another participant challenges this reasoning, indicating that the limit would not hold if the exponent were changed to \(n^2\) and proposes using logarithms and L'Hôpital's rule as a more rigorous approach.
  • A later reply supports the use of logarithms and mentions that if the limit of the logarithm of the function approaches 0, it can lead to the conclusion about the limit of the original function.
  • Another participant confirms that taking the exponential of the limit is valid due to the continuity of the exponential function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of rigorous proofs versus informal reasoning. While some support the informal approach, others advocate for a more formal mathematical justification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to demonstrate the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of uncertainty regarding the application of limit theorems and the implications of changing the exponent in the limit expression. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with formal mathematical techniques.

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I was having a debate with a friend about how to show the following limit.

[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty} \cos( \frac{2 \pi}{2n - 2} )^n = 1[/tex]

I claim that you can just hand-wavingly say that since cosine of 0 is 1, and 1^infinity is 1, the limit is 1. He claims I need to show this using some sort of limit theorem (I don't want to get into delta-epsilons).

Is there a cool limit theorem I can use?I
 
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Your latex didn't compile - at least I can't see it. Could/would you repost?

i just tried getting your code - is this your problem?

[tex] \lim_{n \to \infty} \cos( \frac{2 \pi}{2n - 2} )^n = 1[/tex]

okay, my version of the latex didn't take. is there a general problem with the new server setup?
 
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andrewm said:
I claim that you can just hand-wavingly say that since cosine of 0 is 1, and 1^infinity is 1, the limit is 1.

No, the limit would not be 1 if you replaced the exponent by n^2 (what would it be?). You could take logarithms and apply l'hospital's rule and use cos(0)=1, cos'(0)=0.
 
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No, the limit would not be 1 if you replaced the exponent by n^2 (what would it be?). You could take logarithms and apply l'hospital's rule and use cos(0)=1, cos'(0)=0.

Using l'hospital's rule I can show that \lim_{n \to \infty} \ln f(n) = 0, where f(n) is the original cosine function. If the limit of the \ln is the \ln of the limit, then I am content. Am I misunderstanding what you mean by "take logarithms"?

Thanks for the idea!
 
yes. To rigorously finish off the proof you can take the exponential and use the fact that the exponential of a limit equals the limit of the exponentials - because exp is a continuous function.
 
Excellent, I understand. Thanks.
 

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