Limitations of Comparing t/U and t^2/U Variables

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of the limits of the expressions t/U and t^2/U, where t and U are independent real variables. Participants explore whether the limit of t/U approaching 0 implies that t^2/U also approaches 0, and the implications of comparing different powers of the variables.

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  • Some participants question the clarity of the original post, asking for definitions of t and U, and the specific limits involved.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of specifying what variable is approaching which limit, citing examples to illustrate the concept of limits.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion may relate to the "Big O" notation, which concerns how quickly expressions approach 0.
  • Several participants express frustration over the lack of detail in the original question, reiterating the need for clearer definitions and context.
  • Examples of limits are provided to illustrate how different expressions behave as variables approach certain values.

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Participants generally agree that the original question lacks sufficient detail and clarity. However, there is no consensus on whether t^2/U approaches 0 based solely on the limit of t/U approaching 0, as the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of comparing different powers.

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Limitations include the absence of specific definitions for t and U, the lack of clarity on which variable is tending to what limit, and the need for more context regarding the relationship between the variables.

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Let U and t be independent real variable.
In the limit:
t/U \rightarrow 0
Can I say that
t^2/U \rightarrow 0
too? Or I can compare only same powers of both?

Regards.
 
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mvww said:
If
t/U \rightarrow 0
can I say that
t^2/U \rightarrow 0
too? Or I can compare only same powers of both?

Regards.


You don't say what is t, what is U, the limit of what tending to what...are we to guess?

DonAntonio
 
DonAntonio said:
You don't say what is t, what is U, the limit of what tending to what...are we to guess?

DonAntonio

Fixed. thanks.
 
First of all, you still did not explain anything. What does the limit tend to, what is t, what is U? Is t dependent or U, or for example they both are dependent on some arbitrary variable x?
 
Millennial said:
First of all, you still did not explain anything. What does the limit tend to, what is t, what is U? Is t dependent or U, or for example they both are dependent on some arbitrary variable x?

they are both independent variables. U is much bigger than t, in the sense that
t/U \rightarrow 0
 
mvww said:
they are both independent variables. U is much bigger than t, in the sense that
t/U \rightarrow 0


Ok, please DO PAY ATTENTION! You have to tell what in the name of Newton is tending where!
Is it \,t\to 0\,\,,\,t\to\infty\,\,,\,U\to 0... ? Common...

DonAntonio
 
mvww said:
Let U and t be independent real variable.
In the limit:
t/U \rightarrow 0
Can I say that
t^2/U \rightarrow 0
too? Or I can compare only same powers of both?

Regards.

\displaystyle\ \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x}{x^2} = 0

but

\displaystyle\ \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x^2}{x^2} = 1

Note that I specified what variable is going to what limit, which is an essential part of this question, as Don Antonio's pointing out.
 
I think this may have to see with the "Big O " class that the expression belongs to,

i.e., how fast does the expression go to 0 ?
 
SteveL27 said:
\displaystyle\ \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x}{x^2} = 0

but

\displaystyle\ \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x^2}{x^2} = 1

Note that I specified what variable is going to what limit, which is an essential part of this question, as Don Antonio's pointing out.

To use SteveL27's example: A limit is used to describe what value(s) a funcation approaches as x reaches a specific value. Steve's first example
\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{x}{x^2}
says that as x approaches infinity, for the function \frac{x}{x^2} is equal to zero. although the function never quite reches this point, that's what value the function approaches, as x gets closer and closer to infinity. 1/12=1, 2/22=0.5, 3/32=0.33.3...155/1552=0.006451612903...12,347,222/12,347,2222=8.098987 X 10-8.
It gets closer and closer to zero. yet never acually gets to the point that f(x)=0.

Limits can be used for any part of any function, even simple ones (even thought there isn't any reason to waste time with evaluating limits for simple, continuous function), for example:

\lim_{x\to 1.5} 5x-{x^2}=5.2

limits are usually used to describe breaks in non-continous functions, functions approaching (+ or -) infinity, or specific x values that make the y value spike up to (+ or -) infinity.

Here are some videos that may help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkjgJQaGx98&feature=relmfu
 
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