Limits & Continuity of xsin(1/x) and Removable Discontinuity: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the limits and continuity of the function xsin(1/x) as x approaches infinity, as well as the concept of removable discontinuities in functions. The original poster questions the reasoning behind the limit evaluation and the conditions for continuity at a specific point.

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  • Participants explore the definition of limits and the behavior of functions as they approach certain values. There is a discussion on using L'Hopital's rule and Taylor series to evaluate limits. Some participants question the assumptions behind the continuity of functions and the conditions under which limits exist.

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The conversation is active, with various participants offering insights into limit evaluation techniques and discussing the nature of removable discontinuities. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of L'Hopital's rule and the significance of approaching values in limit calculations.

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Participants note the importance of understanding limits as values approached rather than values at specific points. There is also mention of the constraints imposed by homework rules and the specific conditions under which functions are considered continuous.

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27. limit as x head towards infinity of xsin(1/x) is
A 0
B infinity
C nonexistent
D -1
E 1
from barron's ap calc 7ed, Chapter two review questions p.37
how come the answer is E? Isn't it A b/c the limit equals infinity or neg infinity times zero? the Book explains that we can represent x sin (1/x) as sin(1/x)/(1/x). when we take the limit of this, it comes out to be E.

29. a function is given, one with a removable disconinuity if x is not = 1 and y=4 when x = 1. The question asks what is true? I. limf (x goes to 1) exhists? II. f(1) exhists. III. f is continuous at x = 1.
The answer turns out that I is true. how come it is not I and II?

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First, you need to understand what a limit is. It's not the value when x *equals* zero, it's the value of the function as x *approaches* (getting arbitrarily close) to some value. Thus, you never actually have a value of zero to multiply by. For example, consider the limit as x approaches 2 of (x^2-4)/(x-2). The numerator is clearly zero if you "plug in" 2. Of course, so is the denominator. However, "plug in" a numbers such as 1.9, 1.99, 1.999, 1.9999 into the function. Clearly, the value of the function is getting closer to 4. It's easy to see this is true, because you can factor the numerator and the denominator.
 
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Have you learned L'Hopital's rule yet? Also, this problem is related to the limit as x approaches zero of sin(x)/x.

Also note: the example I gave above with x^2-4 over x-2 is an example of a function with a removeable discontinuity. As you get arbitrarily close to a value of 2 for x [and this is important - on either side of 2], you'll find that the f(x) values get close to 4. In fact, you may in class take a more rigorous approach to limits, in which case, you'll determine that if I state you have to be within a billionth of the limit, can you find a close enough x-value? Since you can factor the numerator and cancel it with the denominator, this function is, in fact, *ALMOST* the same as f(x)=x+2. The difference is that in the original function, x cannot equal zero. Thus, you could rewrite the function as:
f(x)=x+2, for all values of x except 2. At 2, you have a hole, aka removeable discontinuity. Think about where the y value is, if you're really close to 2 (either at 1.9999999995 or 2.0000000005, or even closer.)
 
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or use the taylor expansion of sin(1/x) and get the answer immediately.
 
What's the limit of sin(x)/x as x goes to zero? Some time is spent on that in the Calculus.

Well then, what's the difference of the limit as x goes to infinity of \frac{sin(1/x)}{1/x}?
 
I think the easiest way is re writing it is [sin(1/x)]/[1/x]. To make an easier read, let u=1/x , then as the limit x approaches infinity, u appoaches zero.

So we figure the limit of (sin u)/u as u appraches zero. This is easy to evaluate using l'hospital's Rule. I'm afraid I don't see how using Taylor Series will make the answer anymore obvious.

Edit: He beat me to it..
 
If I remember correctly the sin(x)/x is generally gotten from the definition of the derivative \frac{sin(x+h)-sin(x)}{h} as h goes to zero.

This is important since at that point we do not know what the derivative of the sin is. That may or may not bear on the matter above
 
robert Ihnot said:
If I remember correctly the sin(x)/x is generally gotten from the definition of the derivative \frac{sin(x+h)-sin(x)}{h} as h goes to zero.

This is important since at that point we do not know what the derivative of the sin is. That may or may not bear on the matter above
Interesting. In those calculus books I have seen \lim_{x\rightarrow0}\frac{sin x}{x} is derived geometrically and then used to prove the deriivative!
 
HallsofIvy: Interesting. In those calculus books I have seen is derived geometrically and then used to prove the deriivative!

I reallly meant to say the same thing. If we can handle sinx(cos(h)-1)/h, we are left with cos(x)sin(h)/h goes to cos(x), once we know the limit of sin(h)/h. (Also, we take sinx(cosx-1)/h and multiply top and bottom by cosx+1 to get [sin(x)/h][-sin^2(x)]/[(cos(h)+1)]) which arrives at 1*-0=0. Here too we employ sinx/x goes to 1.)
 
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