Limits of 2 var functions approaching paths of parabolas

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limits of a two-variable function as it approaches the origin along different paths, specifically focusing on the paths defined by the equations y=x^2 and x=y^2. Participants are exploring the behavior of the function under these conditions and questioning the consistency of the limits obtained.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the limit of a function by substituting specific paths and is confused by differing results from these paths. Some participants question the implications of obtaining different limits along different paths and whether this indicates the limit exists or not.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting the use of polar coordinates to evaluate the limit more generally. There is an acknowledgment that while limits along certain paths suggest a value, this does not guarantee the overall limit exists. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a mention of the original example suggesting a limit of 0 along certain paths, which raises questions about the validity of this conclusion when different paths yield different results. Participants are also considering the implications of path dependence in limit evaluation.

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In the example, it says if the approaching path of the limit is y=x^2 and x=y^2, the limits are 0. I can see the limit is 0 for approaching in the path of x=y^2 since the function becomes f(x,y) becomes f(y^2,y)=3y^5/(y^4+y^2) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0 as (y^2,y) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0.
But doing the same for the path of y=x^2, I get f(x,x^2)=3x^2*x^2/(x^2+x^4)=3x^4/(x^2+x^4) which [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 3 as (x,x^2) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0. What am I doing wrong?
 
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[tex]\frac {3x^4}{x^2+x^4}=\frac{3x^2}{1+x^2}\rightarrow \frac 0 1[/tex]
 
davidp92 said:

Homework Statement


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In the example, it says if the approaching path of the limit is y=x^2 and x=y^2, the limits are 0. I can see the limit is 0 for approaching in the path of x=y^2 since the function becomes f(x,y) becomes f(y^2,y)=3y^5/(y^4+y^2) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0 as (y^2,y) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0.
But doing the same for the path of y=x^2, I get f(x,x^2)=3x^2*x^2/(x^2+x^4)=3x^4/(x^2+x^4) which [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 3 as (x,x^2) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] 0. What am I doing wrong?
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Notice that your example says "we begin to suspect that the limit exists and is 0." (emphasis mine)

Frankly, I don't know what they are trying to show. The fact that the limit is 0 along some curves may suggest that the limit itself is 0 but it certainly doesn't have to be. I don't see that doing 4 paths rather than 2 tells us anything at all.

If you convert to polar coordinates, the function becomes
[tex]\frac{3r^3 cos^2(\theta)sin(\theta)}{r^2}= 3r cos^2(\theta)sin(\theta)[/tex]
which goes to 0 as r goes to 0 no matter what [itex]\theta[/itex] is. That tells us that
[tex]\lim_{(x,y)\to (0, 0} \frac{3x^2y}{x^2+ y^2}= 0[/tex]

Because distance from the point to the origin is given by the single variable, r, as long as the limit, as r goes to 0, is independent of [itex]\theta[/tex], then that limit exists.[/itex]
 

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