Line integral - finding the arc length

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the arc length of a curve defined by parametric equations in three dimensions, as well as the curvature as functions of the parameter t. The focus is on the mathematical process of evaluating line integrals and understanding the limits of integration.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a curve defined by three parametric equations and seeks to find the arc length and curvature.
  • Another participant suggests using a specific integral form and notes the presence of a perfect square in the integrand.
  • Questions arise regarding the choice of f=1 in the integral and the appropriate limits of integration, with some participants confirming that the limits should be from 0 to t.
  • A participant expresses confusion about integrating with respect to t and replacing t with the limit after integration.
  • Another participant reassures that the limits are not a concern since the arc length is being expressed as a function of t, suggesting to find an anti-derivative and adjust the constant accordingly.
  • A later reply indicates uncertainty about the result obtained after integration, questioning its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of finding the arc length and the limits of integration, but there is uncertainty regarding the correctness of the final expression for the arc length after integration.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the integration process, particularly regarding the substitution of limits and the correctness of the derived expression for arc length.

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a curve is given as 3 parameters of t:
x=a(3t - t^3), y=3a(t^2), z=a(3t + t^3)

i have to find the arc length measured from origin and curvature as functions of t.

would i be correct in using the integral at the bottom of page 2 here: http://homepages.ius.edu/wclang/m311/fall2005/notes17.2.pdf
 
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Sure enough, with f=1.
Then you get:
\int3|a|\sqrt{(1-t^{2})^{2}+(2t)^{2}+(1+t^{2})^{2}}
If you are clever, you'll find a perfect square buried within the radicand.
 
why is f=1?

would my limits be 0 to t?
 
nb89 said:
why is f=1?
Because you are to find \int{ds}=\int{1}*ds
would my limits be 0 to t?

Yes.
 
ive ended up with integral 3a√2 (t^2 +1) dt
so i take the 3a√2 out and integrate t^2 +1.

but I am confused since the limits are 0 to t, how would i replace the t with the limit t once i have integrated it?
 
Don't worry about the limits of integration: you are finding the arclength as a function of t so find an anti-derivative and take the constant so that the integral is 0 when t= 0.
 
then i get 3a√2 (t^3/3 + t). that's wrong though?
 

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