Line Integral: Solving the equation (2xe^y)dx + (x^2e^y)dy from (0,0) to (1,-1)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the line integral of the expression (2xe^y)dx + (x^2e^y)dy from the point (0,0) to (1,-1). Participants are comparing their results with a textbook answer and exploring the correct method for solving the integral.

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  • Participants present their calculated results and question the discrepancy between their answers and the textbook. There is discussion about the method of integration, with some suggesting that a specific path must be chosen for the evaluation. Others question the validity of integrating directly without considering the path taken.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on the integration method. Some guidance has been provided regarding the necessity of choosing a path for integration, and there is an exploration of the implications of treating the integral as an exact differential.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a focus on the importance of correctly interpreting the path of integration in relation to the endpoints.

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Int ((2xe^y)dx + (x^2e^y) dy) from (0,0) to (1,-1)

I get the answer 2/e, while my book says 1/e. Am I right or wrong?
 
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kasse said:
Int ((2xe^y)dx + (x^2e^y) dy) from (0,0) to (1,-1)

I get the answer 2/e, while my book says 1/e. Am I right or wrong?

I agree with your book. If you show your work, I might be able to point out your mistake. (by the way, it's because the integral of x gives x^2/2 that I "lose" the factor of 2)
 
2e^y*INT(x)dx + x^2*INT(e^y)dy

= e^y*x^2 + x^2*e^y = 2e^y*x^2

= 2*e^(-1) =2/e
 
kasse said:
2e^y*INT(x)dx + x^2*INT(e^y)dy

= e^y*x^2 + x^2*e^y = 2e^y*x^2

= 2*e^(-1) =2/e

This is not the way to do it! You have to choose a path and integrate along that path. For example, go from the origin to (1,0) and integrate your expression (note that for that path, dy=0). Then go from (1,0) to (1,-1) and integrate again (this time, dx will be zero). Add the two results.
 
OK, then I made it. But why is the method of my first attempt wrong? I integrate along a path there as well; the straigth line between the endpoints.
 
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An "Anti-derivative" of 2xeydx+ x2eydy (which is an exact differential) is x2e^y. Evaluating that at (0,0) gives 0 and at (1, -1) gives e-1. The integral is e-1= 1/e.

As for the way you did it, you did NOT integrate along the straight line between the endpoints. The line from (0,0) to (1, -1) is given by parametric equations x= t, y= -t so dx= dt and dy= -dt. The integral becomes
[tex]\int_0^1 2te^{-t}dt- \int_0^1t^2e^{-t}dt= \int_0^1(t- t^2)e^{-t}dt[/tex]
Using integration by parts should give you the same answer. It appears that all you did was integrate 2xeydx with respect to x while ignoring the y and integrate x2eydy with respect to y while ignoring the x- you can't do that. In effect you got the "2" because you integrated the same thing twice!
 

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