Linear acceleration with letters instead of numbers

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The problem involves a lift that accelerates, travels at a constant speed, and then decelerates, with the goal of expressing the time spent at constant speed in terms of total time and distance. The subject area is kinematics, focusing on motion with constant acceleration and deceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between time and distance during different phases of motion, questioning the necessity of expressing maximum speed in terms of other variables. There is also exploration of whether the times spent accelerating and decelerating must be equal.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of kinematic equations and the relationships between variables, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the assumptions made.

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There is a focus on the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to express certain variables in terms of others, and the implications of starting and stopping at rest. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the necessity of certain assumptions in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A lift starts from rest and travels with constant acceleration 4 m/s^2.It then travels with uniform speed and comes to rest with constant retardation of 4 m/s^"
The total distance traveled is d and the total time taken is t.

Show that the time spent traveling at a constant speed is (t^2 - d)^(1/2)

Homework Equations


I called the maximum velocity "v", the time spent accelerating "t1", the time spent at constant speed "t2" and the time spent decelerating "t3" distance traveled when accelerating "d1",when at constant velocity "d2" and when decelerating "d3"

The Attempt at a Solution


I used v = u + at, to find that t1 = v/4 and t3 = v/4.
I then multiplied the times by (1/2)v
to get the distances in both cases d1 = v^2/8 and d3 = v^2/8.
I then said d2 = vt2 =d - (v^2)/4
I divided v by both sides to get t2= (d/v-(v/4).
I made t1 + t2 + t3 = t and simplified to get (4d + v^2) / (4v) = t.
I tried to isolate v but couldn't since there was a v squared.
My main problem here I think is I can't get v on its own so i can't get rid of v in t2.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
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What you are looking for, in your notation, is t2 in terms of t and d. Don't worry about v. Write down the kinematics equations for each part of the path, using forms that only involve distance, time, and acceleration, since that is what you are given.
 
Am I not required to to use the maximum speed "v" since d2 has no acceleration.The only way I can express it is in terms of speed and time isn't it?
 
Woolyabyss said:
Am I not required to to use the maximum speed "v" since d2 has no acceleration.The only way I can express it is in terms of speed and time isn't it?
You can do that if you want, but it would be simpler in the end to express that speed in terms of what you already know.
 
Hmmm, after looking at this problem, does it not require that his t1=t3, or am I wrong? I get the right answer if I assume t1=t3 I think.
 
xodin said:
Hmmm, after looking at this problem, does it not require that his t1=t3, or am I wrong? I get the right answer if I assume t1=t3 I think.
The deceleration during t3 is equal and opposite to the acceleration during t1. The initial and final velocities are the same. Doesn't that imply t1=t3?
 
haruspex said:
The deceleration during t3 is equal and opposite to the acceleration during t1. The initial and final velocities are the same. Doesn't that imply t1=t3?

Yep, when I first read it though I didn't think it specified that it started and stopped at rest.
 

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