Linear Algebra: Composition of transformations (rotation+translation)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around composing two transformations—rotation and translation—within the context of a quadratic curve represented by a specific equation. The original poster seeks to understand how to revert the curve to its standard position through these transformations, noting the presence of both rotation and translation in the initial equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods for composing transformations, including the use of diagonalization and substitution. There are discussions about representing the quadratic form using a symmetric matrix and the implications of using a three-dimensional vector to facilitate the translation process.

Discussion Status

Multiple ideas have been presented regarding the composition of transformations, with some participants suggesting the use of a three-dimensional matrix to handle both rotation and translation. There is an ongoing exploration of the advantages of different approaches, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of linear algebra transformations, particularly in relation to the specific quadratic equation provided. There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the notation and ordering of vectors, indicating a need for clarity in the mathematical expressions used.

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Homework Statement



I have a question regarding how to compose 2 transformations, a rotation and a translation, of a linear algebra problem.

Suppose we have a quadratic curve like the following one:

(i) x^2 + y^4 - 6xy +2x -3y +6 = 0

We want to transform the above into its standard position, it order to see what kind of conic is. First we notice that the above curve has been rotated (since it has a cross-product term xy) and translated (since it has terms x^2,x and y^2,y).

Now we want to take it back to its original position by rotating and translating again. First we do the rotation part by means of diagonalization and substitution (x=Px'), which can be seen as a base change that uses matrix P, and get a quadratic of the form:

(ii) ax'^2 + by'^2 + cx' + dy' + e =0

Second, we do the translation by completing squares and substitution (with a variable change like x''=x'-j, y''=y'-k, can be viewed as a vector T=(-j -k)), getting a quadratic form like:

(iii) mx''^2 + ny''^2 + p = 0

Ok, the problem I have comes now. I want to know what the composite transformation (from i to iii) looks like, that is, a matrix Q such that x'' = Q x.

The Attempt at a Solution



So my guess is the following. The rotation transformation was:

\begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix} = P \begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \end{pmatrix}

P^{-1} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \end{pmatrix}

now substitute it in the translation:

\begin{pmatrix} x'' \\ y'' \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \end{pmatrix} + T

\begin{pmatrix} x'' \\ y'' \end{pmatrix} = P^{-1} \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix} +T = ((P^{-1}) + TI) \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \end{pmatrix}

so,

Q = ((P^{-1}) + TI)

But I am not sure about this... is it Ok? Any other ideas ?

Thanks in advance...
 
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another idea is to consider the symmetric matrix A and the 3 vector
x = (1,x,y)

then you can write the quadratic from as
x^T A x

then find the orthonormal matrix S that diagonlises A
D = S^T A S

then if you conisder
x' = Sx
 
lanedance said:
another idea is to consider the symmetric matrix A and the 3 vector
x = (1,x,y)

Thank you very much for your reply.

I see, you can also consider a 3 dim vector using x, y and 1... But, what are the advantages of this ?

lanedance said:
then you can write the quadratic from as
x^T A x

then find the orthonormal matrix S that diagonlises A
D = S^T A S

then if you conisder
x' = Sx

Yes, but I think that is for the rotation only. How could you compose the rotation and the translation ?

Thanks for your time and patience
 
the 3 dim matrix means you can write the whole equation as a single matrix term and deal with the translation as linear operation eg. consider translating (x,y) by (a,b)
(x&#039;, y&#039; ,1)^T = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; a \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; b \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> \end{pmatrix} (x, y ,1)^T

so the one is really just there to help and gets carried along, if you do the suggested i think it will deal with both the rotation and translation though i haven't tried it...
 
lanedance said:
the 3 dim matrix means you can write the whole equation as a single matrix term and deal with the translation as linear operation so the one is really just there to help and gets carried along

Oh! I understand it now, thanks!

lanedance said:
if you do the suggested i think it will deal with both the rotation and translation though i haven't tried it...

[STRIKE]By "suggested" you mean apply my solution to such 3-dim matrix?[/STRIKE]

Ok, I think I got it now!

Thanks!
 
no worries, i think i missed a transposed in post #2, & changed the ordering of the vector in #3... hopefully not too confusing & should all come out in the wash
 
No problem, I understood what you meant.

Thanks!
 

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