Linear Algebra - Linear Operators

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The discussion revolves around the properties of linear operators, specifically the operator T defined on polynomial spaces, and whether there exists a basis such that the matrix representation of T is invertible. The context involves linear algebra concepts related to polynomial differentiation and matrix properties.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions under which the matrix representation of the operator T is non-singular or singular. Questions are raised about the implications of the operator's action on polynomials and the nature of the basis used for representation.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in clarifying the definitions of singular and non-singular matrices, with some expressing confusion about their understanding. There is acknowledgment of the operator's properties and its implications on the invertibility of the matrix representation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some participants are attempting to refine their understanding based on feedback.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions regarding the specific polynomial space in question, with clarifications made about the degree of polynomials involved. Some participants note the need to provide justifications for their assertions about the matrix's properties.

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Homework Statement



True or false?
If T: ℙ8(ℝ) → ℙ8(ℝ) is defined by T(p) = p', so exists a basis of ℙ8(ℝ) such that the matrix of T in relation to this basis is inversible.

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So i think that my equations is of the form:
A.x = x'
hence A is non-singular and therefore is inversible. But my exercise anwser say the opposite.
Could somebody elucide me?

P.s: (sorry for bad english, I'm from Brazil and still learning it.)
 
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Victor Feitosa said:

Homework Statement



True or false?
If T: ℙs → ℙs is defined by T(p) = p', so exists a basis of ℙs such that the matrix of T in relation to this basis is inversible.

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The Attempt at a Solution



So i think that my equations is of the form:
A.x = x'
hence A is non-singular and therefore is inversible.
You need to give a reason that A is nonsingular, if in fact this is a true statement.

BTW, we say "invertible" if an inverse exists.
Victor Feitosa said:
But my exercise anwser say the opposite.
Could somebody elucide me?
What does this transformation do to the standard basis for Ps? Also, what is Ps? Was this supposed to be P5, the space of polynomials of degree < 5?
Victor Feitosa said:
P.s: (sorry for bad english, I'm from Brazil and still learning it.)
 
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Hello, my friend! Thanks for your feedback.

I thought that A is non-singular because if it was, A.x = x' could not be true, because it would have infinite solutions. But thinking right now i don't see how this is true at all.
No, it's not P5, it's P8. I thought it was a generic polynomial space.
P8 is the space of real polynomials of degree < 8.
I'll edit first post.
 
I see why this is false!

My matrix A is a echeloned matrix with trace 0. So it's det is 0 and it's not invertible.
Sorry for not posting how i found this. I will try to edit and post my anwser!

Thanks PF.
 
Victor Feitosa said:
Hello, my friend! Thanks for your feedback.

I thought that A is non-singular because if it was, A.x = x' could not be true, because it would have infinite solutions.
You seem to have "singular" and "non-singular" reversed! This linear operator is singular precisely because it is not one- to- one.
If the difference between polynomials p and q is a constant, then Ap= p'= q'= Aq so A inverse of p' is not unique.

But thinking right now i don't see how this is true at all.
No, it's not P5, it's P8. I thought it was a generic polynomial space.
P8 is the space of real polynomials of degree < 8.
I'll edit first post.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
You seem to have "singular" and "non-singular" reversed! This linear operator is singular precisely because it is not one- to- one.
If the difference between polynomials p and q is a constant, then Ap= p'= q'= Aq so A inverse of p' is not unique.

Oooooh, so logic and true! Thank you.
So, a matrix is singular if it's determinant is zero hence it have no inverse, is it right?
 
Victor Feitosa said:
Oooooh, so logic and true! Thank you.
So, a matrix is singular if it's determinant is zero hence it have no inverse, is it right?
Yes.
Regarding the problem in your first post, you need to show that if B is any basis for P8, the matrix for the transformation is not invertible. What you've shown is the matrix in terms of the standard basis is noninvertible.
 
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Thanks everyone who helped! I think i figured how to do it and will try soon and post my result!
 

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