Write a matrix given the null space

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The problem involves constructing a matrix A associated with a linear transformation from ℝ³ to ℝ³, specifically one that has the line defined by the equations x - 4y = 0 and z = 0 as its kernel.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss finding a basis for the null space and the implications of the rank-nullity theorem. There are attempts to identify additional vectors needed to complete a basis for ℝ³ while ensuring the kernel remains as specified.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to constructing the matrix, with some participants questioning the choices of additional vectors and their impact on the kernel's dimensionality. There is a recognition of the need for orthogonality in the basis vectors, and some participants suggest methods to achieve this without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the conceptual understanding of the linear transformation and the implications of their choices for the matrix construction. There are references to the rank-nullity theorem and the dimensionality of the image and kernel, indicating a focus on theoretical underpinnings.

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Homework Statement



Build the matrix A associated with a linear transformation ƒ:3→ℝ3 that has the line x-4y=z=0 as its kernel.

Homework Equations



I don't see any relevant equation to be specified here .

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all, I tried to find a basis for the null space by solving the homogeneous linear system:
\begin{equation}
\begin{cases} x-4y=0\\z=0\end{cases} \Leftrightarrow \begin{cases} x=4y\\z=0\end{cases}
\end{equation}
The solutions are thus of the kind (4y,y,0)=y(4,1,0). A basis is hence given by the single vector (4,1,0).
Due to the rank-nullity theorem I know that dim(Im) = dim(ℝ3)-dim(ker(f))=3-1=2. Then, I need two more vectors in order to obtain a basis of 3 that is composed by (4,1,0).
If I chose two vector such as that the matrix of the coordinates has the wanted kernel, I've concluded. My problem is that I don't see how to consciously pick them.
Can anyone help me? Thank you very much!
 
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Zero2Infinity said:

Homework Statement



Build the matrix A associated with a linear transformation ƒ:3→ℝ3 that has the line x-4y=z=0 as its kernel.

Homework Equations



I don't see any relevant equation to be specified here .

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all, I tried to find a basis for the null space by solving the homogeneous linear system:
\begin{equation}
\begin{cases} x-4y=0\\z=0\end{cases} \Leftrightarrow \begin{cases} x=4y\\z=0\end{cases}
\end{equation}
The solutions are thus of the kind (4y,y,0)=y(4,1,0). A basis is hence given by the single vector (4,1,0).
There is another basis vector for the kernel: <0, 0, 1>
Zero2Infinity said:
Due to the rank-nullity theorem I know that dim(Im) = dim(ℝ3)-dim(ker(f))=3-1=2. Then, I need two more vectors in order to obtain a basis of 3 that is composed by (4,1,0).
If I chose two vector such as that the matrix of the coordinates has the wanted kernel, I've concluded. My problem is that I don't see how to consciously pick them.
Can anyone help me? Thank you very much!
 
Sorry but I'm not convinced.
The basis of the kernel is found by solving the system I wrote, corresponding to the matrix
\begin{equation} \begin{pmatrix} 1&-4&0\\0&0&1 \end{pmatrix} \end{equation}
This system ha ##\infty^1## solutions of the type ##(4y,y,0)##, i.e. a basis is ##(4,1,0)## and the kernel is one-dimensional.
 
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Why don't you use ##f(\vec{x})=A\vec{x} = \vec{0}\,##?
 
Let's see: knowing the basis vectors I can write
\begin{equation}
\begin{pmatrix}4&a&b\\1&c&d\\0&e&f\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}1\\-4\\0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}
\end{equation}
Thus I get
\begin{equation}
\begin{cases}4-4a+0b=0\\1-4c+0d=0\\0-4e+0f=0\end{cases}
\end{equation}
from which ##a=1, c=\frac{1}{4}, e=0##. Repeating the procedure with
\begin{equation}
\begin{pmatrix}4&a&b\\1&c&d\\0&e&f\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\1\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}
\end{equation}
I get
\begin{equation}
\begin{cases}0+0a+b=0\\0+0c+d=0\\0+0e+f=0\end{cases}
\end{equation}
from which ##b=0, d=0, f=0##.
Concluding, I get the matrix
\begin{equation}
\begin{pmatrix}4&1&0\\1&\frac{1}{4}&0\\0&0&0\end{pmatrix}
\end{equation}
By doing so, though, the kernel becomes 2-dimensional with ##(0,0,1),(-\frac{1}{4},1,0)## as basis.
 
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Of course. You have only one linear independent vector to span the image, but you need two. The matrix ##A'## of the linear equations in post #3 already had two (row) vectors to span the image. Why don't you expand it with a third row? What does ##A' x = 0## tell you? I mean, reread your own comment.
 
fresh_42 said:
Of course. You have only one linear independent vector to span the image, but you need two. The matrix ##A'## of the linear equations in post #3 already had two (row) vectors to span the image. Why don't you expand it with a third row? What does ##A' x = 0## tell you? I mean, reread your own comment.

First of all, thank you for your patience.
If I add a vector linearly dependent to the other two I get a matrix which kernel is ##(4,1,0)##. For example
\begin{equation}
\begin{pmatrix}1&-4&0\\0&0&1\\0&0&2\end{pmatrix}
\end{equation}
Then this is a solution for the exercise? As you might guess I'm not very sure about the conceptual meaning of what I'm doing...
 
You get a matrix which kernel is ##\{(x,y,z)\,\vert \,(1,-4,0)\cdot \vec{x} = 0 \wedge (0,0,1) \cdot \vec{x} = 0 \}##, i.e. the linear equations you started with. I would have chosen ##0## as the last entry, but ##2## is o.k., too. The first two row vectors are now perpendicular to ##(4,1,0)##, which you were looking for in post #1, and also perpendicular to each other. Therefore together they build a nice little basis of orthogonal vectors in ##\mathbb{R}^3##: two in the image of ##f## and one in its kernel.
 
Thank you again Sir!
Just to be sure: ##(1,-4,0),(0,0,1)## is a orthogonal basis of the ##Im(f)## subspace, ##(4,1,0)## is the basis for the one-dimensional nullspace of ##f## and so, by virtue of the rank-nullity theorem, I have an orthogonal basis of the domain of ##f##, i.e. ##\mathbb{R}^3##.
 
  • #10
Yes.
 
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Zero2Infinity said:

Homework Statement



Build the matrix A associated with a linear transformation ƒ:3→ℝ3 that has the line x-4y=z=0 as its kernel.

Homework Equations



I don't see any relevant equation to be specified here .

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all, I tried to find a basis for the null space by solving the homogeneous linear system:
\begin{equation}
\begin{cases} x-4y=0\\z=0\end{cases} \Leftrightarrow \begin{cases} x=4y\\z=0\end{cases}
\end{equation}
The solutions are thus of the kind (4y,y,0)=y(4,1,0). A basis is hence given by the single vector (4,1,0).
Due to the rank-nullity theorem I know that dim(Im) = dim(ℝ3)-dim(ker(f))=3-1=2. Then, I need two more vectors in order to obtain a basis of 3 that is composed by (4,1,0).
If I chose two vector such as that the matrix of the coordinates has the wanted kernel, I've concluded. My problem is that I don't see how to consciously pick them.
Can anyone help me? Thank you very much!

You don't need to.

A linear transformation which does the trick is \mathbf{x} \mapsto \mathbf{x} \times (4, 1, 0)^{T}. This can be written as \mathbf{x} \mapsto A\mathbf{x} for some matrix A.
 

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