Linear Algebra Null Space and Range

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The discussion revolves around determining the basis for the range and null space of a linear transformation T from the space of polynomials of degree 2, P2(R), to polynomials of degree 1, P1(R). The transformation is defined as T(p) = 3p'' - p'. Participants are examining the implications of this transformation on the null space and range.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are analyzing the definitions of the null space and range, questioning how elements can belong to both spaces. There is a discussion about the implications of the transformation on polynomial degrees and the conditions under which T(p) equals zero.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the null space and range. Some have offered clarifications regarding the transformation's effect on polynomial degrees, while others are exploring the implications of specific polynomial forms on the null space and range.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the dimensions of the null space and range, as well as the specific polynomials involved in the transformation. Participants are also addressing the constraints imposed by the transformation's mapping from P2(R) to P1(R).

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give a basis for the range and the null space of T:P2(R) to P1(R)
where for all p element of P2(R), T(p)=3p'' - p'


I got the null space is {1} and the range is {x,x^2} but the answer says it should be {1,x} for the range. How can something be apart of the null space and the range if its not the zero vector?
 
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The range can't possibly include x2 since you are given that T maps polynomials of degree <= 2 to polynomials of degree <= 1.

If p(x) = ax2 + bx + c, then T(p) = -2ax + 6a - b. The only way T(p) = 0 for all x is if both a and b are zero.
 
The null space and range are in different spaces so have nothing to do with one another (except that their dimensions add to the dimension of the domain space). Yes, if y is a constant y''- y'= 0 so the null space is spanned by {1} (I would not say the null space is {1}- that's just a single vector). If y is in the range, then p''- p'= y. If [itex]p= ax^2+ bx+ c[/itex] then [itex]3p''-p'= 6a+ 2ax+ b= 2ax+ (6a+b)[/itex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
The null space and range are in different spaces so have nothing to do with one another (except that their dimensions add to the dimension of the domain space). Yes, if y is a constant y''- y'= 0 so the null space is spanned by {1} (I would not say the null space is {1}- that's just a single vector). If y is in the range, then p''- p'= y. If [itex]p= ax^2+ bx+ c[/itex] then [itex]p''-p'= 2a+ 2ax+ b= 2ax+ (2a+b)[/itex]
It's given that T(p) = 3p'' - p', not p'' - p'. This affects the calculation of the range.
 

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