Linear Dependence Proof for a Set of Vectors

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The discussion revolves around proving that a set of vectors S is linearly dependent if and only if one of the vectors in S can be expressed as a linear combination of the others. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of linear dependence and independence in the context of vector spaces.

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  • Participants suggest starting with the definition of linear dependence and considering specific cases, such as a 2-D scenario. There are discussions about proving "if and only if" statements by addressing each direction separately. Some participants mention using contradiction and the significance of non-zero coefficients in the proof.

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Several participants have provided insights and guidance on how to approach the proof, including the importance of definitions and the structure of the proof. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between linear dependence and linear combinations, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of proving an "if and only if" statement, which involves showing both directions of the implication. There is an emphasis on the need to demonstrate that not all coefficients are zero in the context of linear dependence.

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given S is a set of vectors S= (v1,v2,..vn), prove that S is linearly dependent if and only if one of the vectors in S is a linear combination of all the other vectors in S?

Can someone point me in the right direction of how to start this proof? I am completely lost.
 
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A good idea would be to start with the definition of linear dependence/independence.
 
Start with a 2-D case where S=(X,Y,A), where A=c1 . X + c2 . Y and then proceed.
 
newtomath said:
given S is a set of vectors S= (v1,v2,..vn), prove that S is linearly dependent if and only if one of the vectors in S is a linear combination of all the other vectors in S?

Can someone point me in the right direction of how to start this proof? I am completely lost.

Do you know how to prove an "if and only if" statement (aka "iff")?
"P if and only if Q", or
"P <=> Q"...

Typically, you'll prove each "direction" separately (i.e. "=>" separate from "<=").
So we start by proving that "S linearly dependent => S is a linear combination...".
The way to prove a conditional statement is to assume the first part ("P"), and prove the second part ("Q").

The other guys were right in that you'll want to use the definition of linearly independent. You might consider contradiction.

Most proofs that I have seen rely on the assumption (at some point) that one of the coefficients of the vectors is DIFFERENT from zero. Then you can divide by it and rearrange the terms to get it to "fit" the definition (usually involving a1v1 + ... + anvn = 0 implies that all the a's are equal to zero)
 
Thanks guys.

Can you take a peek below and advise if you agree with me?


if S is linearly dependent then S is a linear combination of all the other vectors in S.

s is linearly dependent if constants (not all zero) exist where
c1v1 +c2v2 + c3v3 + cnvn =0

if the answer are all zeros, it is a trivial solution and the vectors are linearly independent.
if one vector in S is equal to the sum of scalar multiples of the other vectors, then it is a linear combination of the other vectors in S.

We can re arrange the equation as so: c1v1= -c2v2 -c3v3 - cnvn. Recall that linearly dependency requires an answer where not all the constants(c1,c2...cn) are zeros, ie...not the trivial solution. So c1v1 above must be a combination of the other vectors of all the other vectors in S.

if s is a linear combination of all the other vectors in S then S is linearly dependent.
A vector v is a linear combination of vector space S if constants exists for the below:
c1v1 +c2v2 + c3v3 + cnvn= v.
If we assume that is true, then s is linearly dependent because a vector v can be written as multiples of all the other vectors.
 
newtomath said:
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We can re arrange the equation as so: c1v1= -c2v2 -c3v3 - cnvn. Recall that linearly dependency requires an answer where not all the constants(c1,c2...cn) are zeros, ie...not the trivial solution. So c1v1 above must be a combination of the other vectors of all the other vectors in S.
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This is close, but you have to show that they are not all zero.
Since all of the ci are not zero, there exists at least one that is not zero. We can assume, without loss of generality (might want to brush up on that phrase), that it is the first one (c1). Since this is not zero, you can divide by it.
It might help to look at "where you are going". If you want to prove that something is a linear combination, look at that definition, and manipulate your equation until you have the same form as the definition.
 

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