Linear Differential Equation with a substitution.

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The discussion revolves around a linear differential equation involving a substitution related to the function y(x) = sin(x) + 1/u(x). Participants are attempting to differentiate this function and manipulate it to solve for u(x) and subsequently y(x).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating y(x) and substituting into the differential equation. There are questions about the necessity of implicit differentiation and the application of the chain rule. Some express confusion about isolating u and the overall complexity of the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the steps needed to solve the differential equation. Some participants have offered guidance on using the chain rule and integrating factors, while others express uncertainty about their progress and the correctness of their approaches.

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Participants mention feeling overwhelmed by the terminology and complexity of linear differential equations, indicating a possible lack of foundational understanding. There are references to specific equations and integration techniques, but no consensus on the final solution has been reached.

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Wow I am so very bad at differential equations.. :(

The problem

Here is the exact problem I'm given: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9025/10640260bs5.jpg

attempt at a solution

I'm guessing that I need to differentiate y(x) that I am given and substitute that into the left hand side and then put the y function [sinx + 1/u(x)] as y in the right hand side (y^2).
Then re-arrange for u(x) and differentiate to get du/dx and hopefully it will be the third given equation.

After that I think I just have to solve that ODE and get it back in terms of y.

Assuming that is what I have to do, sadly I cannot even get that far..

differentiating y(x) = sinx + 1/u(x)
must this be done implicitly? I get confused as u(x) is a function and not a variable.

I can see that the third equation must be solved linearly such that dy/dx + utan(x) = -1/2 sec(x)

And I (think) that I solved the integrating factor to be 1/cos(x).

But I am so bad at differential equations and the sources on the internet seem to be so confusing that I'm quite stuck from here but this is what I have:

(1/cos(x))*du/dx + u*(1/cos(x))*tan(x) = -(1/2)*(1/cos(x))*sec(x)=d/dx(u/cos(x)) <- multiplying by integrating factor and copying form of examples from the net

u/cos(x) = integral of -(1/2)*(1/cos(x))*sec(x)

and I know I'm way off here so I think I might as well just stop...

Also it would be great if someone could point me in the direction of a site that shows how to type all those math symbols such as the integral sign.

Thanks in advance. A lot.
 
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Rake-MC said:
I'm guessing that I need to differentiate y(x) that I am given and substitute that into the left hand side and then put the y function [sinx + 1/u(x)] as y in the right hand side (y^2).
Then re-arrange for u(x) and differentiate to get du/dx and hopefully it will be the third given equation.
Good guess :smile:

Rake-MC said:
differentiating y(x) = sinx + 1/u(x)
must this be done implicitly? I get confused as u(x) is a function and not a variable.

I don't know what you call "implicitly" but I don't think so. All you need is the chain rule:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \frac{1}{u(x)} = \frac{d (1/u)}{du} \frac{du}{dx}[/tex]
 
Thanks CompuChip.

For dy/dx I got cos(x) - 1/u^2

so that's on the left side, for the right side I subbed in sin(x) + 1/u

but it just gets really messy, and I can't get u on its own.. This is probably one of the most simple things to do but I just can't do it.

Maybe I should drop out of engineering...
 
Rake-MC said:
For dy/dx I got cos(x) - 1/u^2

[...]

but it just gets really messy, and I can't get u on its own..

You still forgot the chain rule:

dy/dx = cos(x) - u' / u^2,
where u' denotes differentation of u w.r.t. x.
And you don't want u on its own, but du/dx = u'.
 
Thanks tons!
I can't show how grateful I am for being so patient with me. I am so slow with this kind of thing..

Now I'm 99% sure I have to do a linear differential equation to get the solution, but doing that will probably result in colossal failure on my part.
As I said earlier I'm sure the integrating factor is 1/cos(x), and I multiplied it through my differential equation such that I had it in the form of I(x)dy/dx + I(x)P(x) = Q(x)
but I don't really know what to do from here.
Sites that I've looked at seem to use terminology and symbols that are far beyond me..
 
Okay, linear differential equations confuse the hell out of me, but by any chance is the answer:

[tex]u = -\frac{1}{2} \int sec(x)sec(x)dx = -\frac{1}{2} tan(x) + C[/tex]
[tex]y(x) = sin(x) + \frac{1}{u(x)}[/tex]
[tex]y(x) = sin(x) - \frac{2}{tan(x)+C}[/tex]

Did I do this right?
Cheers
 
Somehow I don't think that this is right, because I have dy/dx, subbed in u, took the derivative of that. Did the differential equation, but shouldn't I need to do another differential equation to reach y(x)? It confuses me because I'm given dy/dx as well as y(x) in terms of u(x).
Thanks
 
Okay, I think that I have done something wrong in that it's not:
[tex] u = -\frac{1}{2} \int sec(x)sec(x)dx [/tex]

but rather [tex] I(x)u = -\frac{1}{2} \int sec(x)sec(x)dx = -\frac{1}{2} tan(x) + C [/tex]

where [tex]I(x) = sec(x)[/tex]
so

[tex] u = -\frac{1}{2} tan(x)cos(x) + C [/tex]

Then [tex] y(x) = sin(x) - \frac{2}{tan(x)cos(x)+C} = sin(x) - 2cot(x)sec(x)[/tex]

If anyone could confirm this, it would be most greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
 
Bump thx.
 
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Yeap, you've got it right. Just one thing, where did your constant go for the final answer? Btw, we are on the same course doing the same subject. I found the assignment really difficult esp question 3.
 
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Cheers jeffreylze,
well my constant of integration is [tex]\frac{1}{cos(x)}[/tex]

which is the [tex]sec(x)[/tex]

in the final answer:

[tex]sin(x) - 2cot(x)sec(x)[/tex]

And yes a very difficult assignment, luckily we got over the break for it!
 

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