Linear Independence of 3 Vectors in R^4

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The discussion revolves around the linear independence of three vectors in R^4, specifically examining the conditions under which these vectors remain independent given certain constants.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the setup of a linear combination of the vectors equating to the zero vector and question how to determine when the coefficients must be zero. There are discussions on the implications of the equations derived from this setup, particularly focusing on the role of the constants and the conditions for linear independence.

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Some participants have suggested investigating the determinant of the system of equations, while others have raised concerns about the applicability of this method given the number of vectors involved. There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and conditions related to linear independence, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note that the problem involves three vectors in R^4, which raises questions about the dimensionality and the necessity of additional vectors for certain methods, such as using determinants.

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LINEAR ALGEBRA: 3 vecotrs in R^4 (with 6 variables) -- Are they linearly independent?

For which values of the constants a, b, c, d, e, anf f are the following vectors linearly independent? Justify your answer.

[tex]\left[\begin{array}{c}a\\0\\0\\0\end{array}\right],\,\,\left[\begin{array}{c}b\\c\\0\\0\end{array}\right],\,\,\left[\begin{array}{c}d\\e\\f\\0\end{array}\right][/tex]

I figure that one would setup an equation:

[tex]x\,\left[\begin{array}{c}a\\0\\0\\0\end{array}\right]\,\,+\,\,y\,\left[\begin{array}{c}b\\c\\0\\0\end{array}\right]\,\,+\,\,z\,\left[\begin{array}{c}d\\e\\f\\0\end{array}\right]\,\,=\,\,\left[\begin{array}{c}0\\0\\0\\0\end{array}\right][/tex]

[tex]x\,a\,\,+\,\,y\,b\,\,+\,\,z\,d\,\,=\,\,0[/tex]
[tex]\,\,\,\,\,\,\,y\,c\,\,+\,\,x\,e\,\,=\,\,0[/tex]
[tex]\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,z\,f\,\,=\,\,0[/tex]

How does one proceed?
 
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You want to find a rule for when x, y, and z are all zero. Start with zf=0. When is z not zero?

Then you can take a look at your second equation, which should be yc + ze ;)
 
Do you know how to solve a system of linear equations? I suggest you try investigating the determinant of the system. Further on, what is the definition of linear independence? What must x, y, and z equal?
 
radou said:
I suggest you try investigating the determinant of the system.
I suggest you do not since it is not a system of 4 vectors in R^4 but 3, so there is no determinantal way to proceed, unless you wish to add a fourth arbitrary vector in that is not in the span of the first three. But that is unnecessarily complicated, although not particularyly hard. However if you can see how to do that then you can see the answer anyway. You can simply do it by inspection.
 

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