Linear Speed at South Pole Antarctica

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The discussion revolves around the linear speed of a body located at the South Pole in Antarctica, exploring the implications of reference points, the distinction between linear and angular velocity, and the mathematical considerations involved in calculating speed in this context.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the reference point for measuring linear speed, suggesting options such as the Earth, Sun, solar system, or galaxy.
  • It is noted that linear speed implies straight-line movement, while at the South Pole, one would be rotating, leading to discussions about rotational velocity.
  • Participants express differing intuitions about the correct answer to the speed question, with one suggesting 360 degrees per day and another proposing a conversion to radians per second.
  • There is acknowledgment of ambiguity in the question regarding whether it asks for linear or rotational speed.
  • Some argue that at the South Pole, a point directly on the pole would have zero linear velocity, while other parts of the body would have different linear velocities due to varying radii.
  • The distinction between linear and angular velocity is emphasized, with a focus on the necessity of knowing the radius to determine linear velocity.
  • One participant mentions that the question originates from a competitive exam, adding context to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between linear and angular velocity but express differing views on how to approach the calculation of linear speed at the South Pole. There is no consensus on a definitive answer, as multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the question and the implications of radius in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the conversion of degrees to radians and the implications of assuming an infinitely small point at the South Pole. The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions of linear and angular velocity and the ambiguity in the original question.

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What would be the linear speed of body in Antartica standing on a south pole.
 
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sphyics said:
What would be the linear speed of body in Antartica standing on a south pole.

depends on reference point. earth? sun? solar system? galaxie?
 
Taftarat said:
depends on reference point. earth? sun? solar system? galaxie?

consider Earth as reference point.
 
sphyics said:
consider Earth as reference point.

Linear speed implies you are moving in a straight line. You are not.

You would be moving with rotational velocity (whether in reference to the Earth or Sun).

Of course this is largely semantics.

With the Earth as your reference point, you would be rotating on the spot but that is all. Like a ballerina in a music box.
 
jarednjames said:
Linear speed implies you are moving in a straight line. You are not.

You would be moving with rotational velocity (whether in reference to the Earth or Sun).

Of course this is largely semantics.

With the Earth as your reference point, you would be rotating on the spot but that is all. Like a ballerina in a music box.

yes i agree, hence i had an intuition, the answer as 360 degrees per day from the options given A) 7x10-5rad/s; B)360 degrees per day c)Both (A) &(B) D) 0

but I'm trying to put it mathematically :)
 
sphyics said:
yes i agree, hence i had an intuition, the answer as 360 degrees per day from the options given A) 7x10-5rad/s; B)360 degrees per day c)Both (A) &(B) D) 0

but I'm trying to put it mathematically :)

Well work out how many degrees are per second (360 / (24*60*60)).

Then convert that value to rad/s, see if it matches A.

Problem is, that gives you a rotational speed, not strictly a linear one (bit of ambiguity in the question for my liking). So I'd say the answer is D.
 
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jarednjames said:
Well work out how many degrees are per second (360 / (24*60*60)).

Then convert that value to rad/s, see if it matches A.
approximately ... its 7.2x10^-5rad/s {sorry for that i made a calculation error earlier.}

jarednjames said:
Problem is, that gives you a rotational speed, not strictly a linear one (bit of ambiguity in the question for my liking). So I'd say the answer is D.

how i discarded the answer Zero (i too had the same notion first) velocity may be zero as displacement is zero but not speed...

& the other one ...

what will be the change in momentum if a particle moves from one point to its diametrically opposite.
 
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Please note the difference between an objects linear velocity and angular velocity:

http://www.algebralab.org/lessons/lesson.aspx?file=trigonometry_triganglinvelocity.xml

Your whole body (and the Earth) will have one angular velocity (which comes from 360 degrees per day).

But each point on the Earths surface at a different radius will have its own linear velocity.

On the south pole, your left arm will have a higher linear velocity than your head.

At a point infinitely small, directly on the south pole you would have zero linear velocity.

So my point is that unless you know which part of your body they are referring to, you can't give a linear velocity. Only an angular one.
 
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jarednjames said:
Please note the difference between an objects linear velocity and angular velocity:

http://www.algebralab.org/lessons/lesson.aspx?file=trigonometry_triganglinvelocity.xml

Your whole body (and the Earth) will have one angular velocity (which comes from 360 degrees per day).

But each point on the Earths surface at a different radius will have its own linear velocity.

On the south pole, your left arm will have a higher linear velocity than your head.

At a point infinitely small, directly on the south pole you would have zero linear velocity.

So my point is that unless you know which part of your body they are referring to, you can't give a linear velocity. Only an angular one.

Consider a particle not a body, suppose if the particle was at equator T(Period)=24hrs, then v=r(radius vector)*w(angular velocity)
how to proced with a particle at poles...
 
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sphyics said:
Consider a particle not a body, suppose if the particle was at equator T(Period)=24hrs, then v=r(radius vector)*w(angular velocity)
how to proced with a particle at poles...

The only difference is the radius, and like I said, unless you know the specific part of the body (the radius) then you can't give an answer.

Particle, body, all the same. Assume the outside radius and go with that if you really need to.
 
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jarednjames said:
The only difference is the radius, and like I said, unless you know the specific part of the body (the radius) then you can't give an answer.
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its a question from a competitive exam :)
 
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sphyics said:
its a question from a competitive exam :)

And...

It doesn't change the fact you need a radius to have a linear velocity.

If you don't have a radius and assume an infinitely small point on the south pole, the radius is then 0 (distance from centre of rotation), plug that into your equation and your linear velocity is 0. Hence D being the correct answer.
 

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